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-Afri-Coy-

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Liverpool - the genuine tryhards of European football.

Scouse Fans when they see this post:

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RichieS

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Liverpool are usually held up as the example of the way we/ENIC should be going about things, so I have some questions: If/when they (once again) finish the season empty handed, will all the spending have been worth it? Will their fans have had any more fun than ours did in 15/16 and 16/17? Where would they go next, given that their spending last summer was largely based on the huge profit they made on transfers the year before?
 

SirNiNyHotspur

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Liverpool are usually held up as the example of the way we/ENIC should be going about things, so I have some questions: If/when they (once again) finish the season empty handed, will all the spending have been worth it? Will their fans have had any more fun than ours did in 15/16 and 16/17? Where would they go next, given that their spending last summer was largely based on the huge profit they made on transfers the year before?

If ENIC just for once identified our on field weaknesses and spent whatever was needed to strengthen them and we just fell short I for one would not be complaining about ENIC. That never happened though did it? Ever...

And that touches on my biggest gripe, we have had multiple opportunities over the many years to strike whilst the iron was hot, a little properly (not property) directed investment could well have seen us over that fine line between success and failure.

But yes, in truth we could have still failed but it’s all about giving yourself the best chance, then nobody can complain. For us anti-enicers it is clear ENIC don’t share the same ambitions, they want CL qualification on a budget and anything else is a bonus to them.

Listening to latest Levys comments nothing is gonna change and if they’re still here in another 20 (assuming they can’t get their asking price) we could well be talking about 1 trophy in 40 years... in pochs own words if ‘titles aren’t the priority’ how are we ever expected to win any?
 

Graysonti

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The owners have to start putting the football first and pronto.

No point In the stadium otherwise.

If they not got the ambition, sell the club to people that do.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Liverpool are usually held up as the example of the way we/ENIC should be going about things, so I have some questions: If/when they (once again) finish the season empty handed, will all the spending have been worth it? Will their fans have had any more fun than ours did in 15/16 and 16/17? Where would they go next, given that their spending last summer was largely based on the huge profit they made on transfers the year before?
It's not a comparison I've ever made (that I can recall) I guess I'd want to know what they've won while ENIC have been in charge before deciding and even then one would have to weigh up how going for it 'Liverpool style' and failing or not going for it ENIC style compare.
 

coys200

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Well I certainly hope we find a partner because prioritising stadium funding over your playing staff is one thing, but using that money to fund a housing development is quite another.

This is what cost Arsenal and one of the major differences between our build and theirs that rarely gets mentioned. They totally over extended themselves doing the Highbury property development at the same time. They had to extend the bank facility half way through due to spiralling costs. I have a feeling the hotel will be shelved and they might go more for service apartments. I just don’t see the viability of a 4/5 star hotel in Tottenham.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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I have a feeling the hotel will be shelved and they might go more for service apartments. I just don’t see the viability of a 4/5 star hotel in Tottenham.


Maybe, in the not so distant future, the 4/5 star hotel will be perfectly viable in Tottenham.

Perhaps the feeling is, after over £1billion of investing in, and transforming the whole area, more investment and regeneration will follow from other companies/investors? The area will be hugely improved, bring in wealthier clientele, who may want some luxury, temporary accommodation.

I know it's no barometer, but a while ago a property popped up in Tottenham, on Homes Under The Hammer. That annoying git who hosts the show couldn't stop going on about the investment going on in the area, and how property prices/values etc are going to skyrocket as a result.
 

parj

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I think we reading too much into THST transcripts. It's more of a goodwill thing with the club.

No way would Levy tell them we were going to to do net spend knowing it would upset our players on future spending or say it's £150m plus sales cos that will inflate prices at other clubs.

I think some are believing Eriksen is as good as gone and of that is the case we will be buying £150m-ish worth of players before announcing.
 

Metalhead

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I think we reading too much into THST transcripts. It's more of a goodwill thing with the club.

No way would Levy tell them we were going to to do net spend knowing it would upset our players on future spending or say it's £150m plus sales cos that will inflate prices at other clubs.

I think some are believing Eriksen is as good as gone and of that is the case we will be buying £150m-ish worth of players before announcing.
It would definitely be best for fans to reign in any expectations on that front.
 

guiltyparty

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Probably the best thread for this



@davidmatzdorf @parj

There's some major issues with that data, though. What's it based on? Accumulative transfer fees? What's the source?

And why, when there's a €30m difference between Spurs and Liverpool at the start of the 2010/11 season do they not overtake us over the next two seasons?

Liverpool spent £150m in those two seasons (£50m just on Carroll and Suarez), Spurs spent around £25m (or one Jordan Henderson) amongst a load of free transfers (Saha, Nelson etc) and loans. Is it actually net spend, and they're factoring in the Torres sale? As it doesn't say 'Who has the worst net spend?'

Bale was sold in 2013 and we have fallen out of the top 10 by the time we're spending £100m in a season. So does this reinforce it's net spend, as we were spending the Bale money? Are you both watching a different video to me? As it does NOT blip up with the Bale money spend at all, we disappear as that happens and Liverpool are well above us.

Doesn't seem to include wages either, as Arsenal spent £1m more a week on those for nearly a decade and they never appear. So it's not 'who spent more' at all.

These bar graph videos have become all the rage, and they're interesting, but the need for context and clear data sources is key. This doesn't have those at all which makes me raise an eyebrow or two.
 
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ToDarrenIsToDo

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This is what cost Arsenal and one of the major differences between our build and theirs that rarely gets mentioned. They totally over extended themselves doing the Highbury property development at the same time. They had to extend the bank facility half way through due to spiralling costs. I have a feeling the hotel will be shelved and they might go more for service apartments. I just don’t see the viability of a 4/5 star hotel in Tottenham.

It depends on the redevelopment of the area and what ENICs plans are. If they have a long term desire to generate the whole area a hotel will do fantastically well.

Coincide that with 3,000 away fans travelling to N17 every other week from other areas of England along with certain parts of Europe, not to mention the music events & tens of thousands of NFL fans who travel from all over the country to watch the games and I see the reasoning behind it.

585 new homes does suggest that ENIC are using the football club as a catalyst to regenerate the whole area. If it does it'll be a fantastic thing to see but it will come over time.

As beloved as our old White Hart Lane was, it really has hindered our since the 1980s when terraces started to lose their status in the English game and our stadium had to be reduced from 50,000 to 36,000.
WHL averaged 53,000 fans when we won the double in 61, this project is absolutely huge for where we are striving to be moving forward. 2nd biggest stadium in the Country in a nation of so many fantastic football clubs really is an an exciting thing and we get to experience it in just over two weeks. Fantastic!
 

Lighty64

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£145m plus €105m from the Champions League. I hope we don’t sell Eriksen and Toby but, assuming we do that’s another £125m on top, plus Marc day revenues etc.

Bumper season for the club!

Doubt we made much profit at Wembley, and don’t forget there will be some big bonuses going out if we win the CL
 

coys200

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Doubt we made much profit at Wembley, and don’t forget there will be some big bonuses going out if we win the CL

Wouldn’t like to be around when you check your bank account mate lol. 18/19 will undoubtedly be our best ever revenue season. 17/18 was £380m. And even though we lost a bit at Wembley due to low gates that was compensated by fact ST went up on average 20%. With gate receipts the CL could be as much as an extra £50m from last season. I’ll be surprised if revenue isn’t north of £450m for 18/19.
 

Lighty64

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Wouldn’t like to be around when you check your bank account mate lol. 18/19 will undoubtedly be our best ever revenue season. 17/18 was £380m. And even though we lost a bit at Wembley due to low gates that was compensated by fact ST went up on average 20%. With gate receipts the CL could be as much as an extra £50m from last season. I’ll be surprised if revenue isn’t north of £450m for 18/19.

You might want to take into account 50%+ of season ticket money was refunded due to people reclaiming and a higher rent. We only had 7 out of a possible 25 games at home and paid more in rent.

Delays cost a fortune
 

hellava_tough

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Wouldn’t like to be around when you check your bank account mate lol. 18/19 will undoubtedly be our best ever revenue season. 17/18 was £380m. And even though we lost a bit at Wembley due to low gates that was compensated by fact ST went up on average 20%. With gate receipts the CL could be as much as an extra £50m from last season. I’ll be surprised if revenue isn’t north of £450m for 18/19.

True:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte_Football_Money_League#2019

£450m equates to 509m Euros, which takes us well into the Top 10, leaving Juventus behind and snapping at the heels of PSG!

Also, we'll almost certainly leap-frog Arsenal and possibly Chelsea with our CL revenues.
 

coys200

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You might want to take into account 50%+ of season ticket money was refunded due to people reclaiming and a higher rent. We only had 7 out of a possible 25 games at home and paid more in rent.

Delays cost a fortune

We didn’t refund 50%. We averaged 53k at Wembley so 9 or 10k below capacity at WHL. So we lost something like 500k a game at Wembley over 14 home games so we probably lost £7m or so. But we then also had 4 CL games at 80k which is 20k over the the new stadium. 17/18 gate receipts were 85k I’d imagine this season were 95-100k. Also in the £450m there’s natural growth in commercial deals which has gone up every season.
 
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