Match Threads Spurs vs Fulham - Match Thread - Day 16

bubble07 · Jan 13, 2021

idontgetit said:
We cut them open straight away when Lamela came on. It's fucking obvious what the problem is and that problem was the same problem Poch had.

It's a total refusal to put enough players on the pitch who can play sharp and incisive pass and move football, which is something that only works when there's enough players on the pitch who have the ability and natural ability to do so. We have herd immunity to it because both Poch and Mourinho keep choosing players like Sissoko over players like Lamela.

Lamela dithered again playing son in. If he didn't son was onside and we win the game

handsomecake · Jan 13, 2021

how many times this season have we seen the Bale Son Kane trio up front?

PLTuck · Jan 13, 2021

Teddy Klinsmann said:
Agree. Winks doesn’t get anywhere near any other top 6 side. He’s a passenger and there it is like playing with 10 men against Fulham. Why not put Dele in there tonight? Could it have been any worse?

Can't see Dele enjoying the role of covering the spaces PEH leaves for 70 mins.

I wish we'd move towards a 4-3-3 with a single out and out DM.

mattspur1 · Jan 13, 2021

rossdapep said:
Ha really???

About 99% of this forum bemoan Sissoko, Winks and Sanchez's abilities week in week out. Aurier is included in that too. Dier also if we are going to really get into it.

Under Poch. Under Jose.

Yet, all of a sudden these players should be good enough to beat 70% of the league.

We are carrying too many limited players.

Maybe they aren't good enough so why play a style that demands they are constantly under pressure?? Makes no sense.

Phil-spur99 · Jan 13, 2021

The talk of us being in the title race needs to stop. Yes, this is the most open season since Leicester won due to the circumstances but no title winners drop points in the manner we have against Newcastle, W Ham, Palace, Wolves and Fulham.

No title winners are as bad with the ball and as negative as we are. Apart from the Son chance we did nothing in the second half and we seem to rely on moments from Kane and Son. There doesn’t seem to be any attacking strategy or pattern as to how we are going to try to score.

Also Jose talking about individual mistakes misses the point that everyone else could see that Fulham were getting on top in the second half and we needed to change things but he didn’t until after they scored. That said I don’t think Lamela or Vinicius did anything when they came on as our structure went.

I don’t like the make up of our midfield. Hojberg picks himself and Tanguay was good first half but Winks and Sissoko do not compliment. GLC can come in and upgrade Winks when fit but we need a better box to box midfield with more technical and creativity ability than Sissoko. He tries but it is just not good enough and we need another creative player in there.

Cavehillspur · Jan 13, 2021

Gbspurs said:
10 now

Did they show that before they levelled? I thought it was at 1-1

nedley · Jan 13, 2021

Grapo2001 said:
maybe they did yes. But difficult to quantify how much the players squandering chances negated the tactics.

I agree. But my point is Jose is not doing a good enough job. He's not getting the best out of this group of players.

I'm not calling for his head by the way. I've always said he should be judged at the seasons end. But is anybody confident of top 4? I'm not and that for me is IMPERATIVE.

homer hotspur · Jan 13, 2021

dbspurs said:
No excuse for playing Sissoko on the right with Lamela, Lucas and Bale on the bench. He has to play next to Hoijberg or not at all.

When you play Winks in midfield as well then you are losing a lot of robustness as well as diluting your attack.

Add Sanchez to the mix at centre back then you are asking for trouble.

I still believe that the players are mostly responsible for the lack of focus and intent in the second half of games.

You can see it when we get pegged back. They suddenly wake up and start attacking again.

That isn't anything to do with tactics.

Well, it could be couldn't it? I mean the tactic is clearly to hold what we have, so once that us gone, you assume the tactics are to get the lead again, certainly in these type of games

Grapo2001 · Jan 13, 2021

idontgetit said:
We cut them open straight away when Lamela came on. It's fucking obvious what the problem is and that problem was the same problem Poch had.

It's a total refusal to put enough players on the pitch who can play sharp and incisive pass and move football, which is something that only works when there's enough players on the pitch who have the ability and natural ability to do so. We have herd immunity to it because both Poch and Mourinho keep choosing players like Sissoko over players like Lamela.

to be fair we used to overload on attacking players with Redknapp and look how that turned out. Fans need to remember the past and not make the same mistakes.

cjbyid · Jan 13, 2021

Nerine · Jan 13, 2021

I do agree bringing Dele and Bale on for Winks/Sissoko and Ndombele would have probably been a good shout. I’m surprised Lamela made an appearance in front of them.

The handling of Bale feels a bit heavy handed IMO. If he wanted to sit on the bench, he may as well have done it in sunny Spain. Unless of course he isn’t that great in training.
I’ve not seen him sprint yet. Unless he has and I simply haven’t noticed. ?

EQP · Jan 13, 2021

Dannyspur said:
Absolutely, me too - but that isn't Eriksen.

I disagree, we won't get any lung busting runs or mazy dribbles past players but we will get incisive and creative passing from Eriksen. Anyway, I've written ad naseaum in the Eriksen thread why we should look to bring him back. Out of my hands but the point remains we need something different in our midfield.

idontgetit · Jan 13, 2021

PLTuck said:
Can't see Dele enjoying the role of covering the spaces PEH leaves for 70 mins.

I wish we'd move towards a 4-3-3 with a single out and out DM.

Yeah the DM need to play in the hole in front of the defence, not be charging around. Play two CM's in front and ask them to hit the front men early.

Grapo2001 · Jan 13, 2021

nedley said:
I agree. But my point is Jose is not doing a good enough job. He's not getting the best out of this group of players.

I'm not calling for his head by the way. I've always said he should be judged at the seasons end. But is anybody confident of top 4? I'm not and that for me is IMPERATIVE.

tricky season where anyone can grab top 4. I agree our squad should be enough and on another day we could have an extra 12 points or so. I don’t put that all down to Jose.

stormfly · Jan 13, 2021

How many points have we actually achieved at home this season?

SpartanSpur · Jan 13, 2021

We've seen this same 1-1 draw 5 times this season. This is the footballing equivalent of a recurring nightmare.

There is some bad luck in there, Utd for example got away with a massive missed chance in their 1-0 at Burnley, whereas goal shy Cavaliero buries his chance against us. That said we bring the bad luck onto ourselves with such weak second half displays. The amount of late goals conceded is a genuine concern. Is it fitness? Is it players dropping too deep? Is it Jose telling players to fix it without actually coaching them in a way they can do so?

We created enough to win the game, but overall I felt like we hardly had any control at any point. Fulham were better for large spells.

rossdapep · Jan 13, 2021

mattspur1 said:
Maybe they aren't good enough so why play a style that demands they are constantly under pressure?? Makes no sense.

Because they are not good enough with the ball and playing attacking high intensity football.

Come on now, we all saw that with Poch!

If hed put a midfield of Hojbjerg Ndombele and Lo Celso out with Bale, Kane and Son and we still looked off in attack I'd be very comcerned but its glaringly obvious our midfield is weak and inbalanced and thats why we get these performances.

Jose isn't telling Winks to be reserved, he's telling him to play more forward passes - he just lacks the confidence and ability to do it and do it well.

Useless even telling Sissoko to be brave with the ball.

Lo Celso's constant injuries are causing big issues for us.

beuller · Jan 13, 2021

dbspurs said:
No excuse for playing Sissoko on the right with Lamela, Lucas and Bale on the bench. He has to play next to Hoijberg or not at all.

When you play Winks in midfield as well then you are losing a lot of robustness as well as diluting your attack.

Add Sanchez to the mix at centre back then you are asking for trouble.

I still believe that the players are mostly responsible for the lack of focus and intent in the second half of games.

You can see it when we get pegged back. They suddenly wake up and start attacking again.

That isn't anything to do with tactics.

I agree with so much of that.

But... their goal was perfect. Lookman had 3 perfect touches, amazing cross, brilliant header.

But why the fu<k have they got the ball. We are constantly asking for teams to do this. I'm a big jose fan but if you take away tactics from both of those teams, we win that game almost every time.

Its massively disappointing again.

Serpico · Jan 13, 2021

I HATE THE WAY WE ARE PLAYING.
I DONT UNDERSTAND THE GAME PLAN.
ITS EMBARRASSING AND NEEDS TO STOP NOW.
FOOTBALL IS A SIMPLE GAME AND WE SEEM TO MAKE IT COMPLICATED.

I never rewatch the games as i did when Poch was coach. There's nothing to get excited about.

Nerine · Jan 13, 2021

cjbyid said:

He’s got his watch on his right wrist. Unless that’s what the fashionistas do nowadays. Fucked if I know...

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