Harry Kane

Japhet · Mar 22, 2021

nico97531 said:
Not really, when the player is looking for/ playing for a foul then it still required a foul to be committed for a penalty to be given but a dive would indicate no foul was committed at all which was not what happened last night.

The only thing I'd say about that is that Kane had miscontrolled the ball which was running out, and his foot then moves towards the player sliding in, for no other reason than to initiate the contact. It happens all the time so no big deal, but if we accept that, we can't really complain about Lacazette kicking Sanchez and being given a penalty for it.

BringBack_leGin · Mar 22, 2021

How can anyone say it was a dive?

I’m not even sure it was exaggerating the impact, watch it real time rather than slow motion and think if you’d be happy receiving that challenge. Then imagine you’re someone who has twice lost huge chunks of your career to similar such challenges on that part of your body, from international colleagues no less in Delph and Jones, and worse, not even seen free kicks given for those challenges.

For every exaggeration Kane might be guilty of, he’s received a barge to the back, kick to ankle or leg, etc ten times over. Think of the Liverpool game where they quite deliberately crocked him without so much as a card being shown.

It’s the same as it was with Ginola and Bale. If there’s a bit of cynicism to ensure a ref takes notice, fine, these guys are constantly receiving vicious challenges which endanger their physical health and their livelihoods and it’s more often than not deliberate. Cash my not have been deliberate, but fuck me he was stupid and deserved the outcome.

JoaoPereira · Mar 22, 2021

Stamford said:
so how do you explain Kane acting in this manner before Jose's arrival?

I did very clearly said he accentuated the trend, not initiated.

nico97531 said:
Not really, when the player is looking for/ playing for a foul then it still required a foul to be committed for a penalty to be given but a dive would indicate no foul was committed at all which was not what happened last night.

not only did I say that I find the penalty incident yesterday a foul, but I also said later in the conversation that looking for a foul is different from milking one out of marginal contact and my problem is with the latter, not the former.

spursfan77 · Mar 22, 2021

Shadydan said:
Can you believe some of our fans were saying he dived for the pen.

Yes. We have a lot of dicks who support us.

spursfan77 · Mar 22, 2021

Trix said:
Why is it it's only ever diving that's brought up in the media spotlight?

Is it not exactly the same thing when a defender brings a player down and remonstrated with the ref that"he got the ball" or "I never touched him", when he knows full well he fouled the player or that he didn't get the ball. Trying to con the ref is trying to con the ref yet it's never brought up that defenders are just as guilty of this as forwards are if not more so as it happens far more often.

Because they don't like us getting penalties?

King of Otters · Mar 22, 2021

L-man said:

Well Jose did promise to take him to another level.

King of Otters · Mar 22, 2021

spurs mental said:
Wish this arsebag wasn't associated with our club. Just vomits words constantly

Lineker is out on his own as the biggest **** on Twitter since they banned Trump.

BringBack_leGin · Mar 22, 2021

JoaoPereira said:
looking for a foul

What evidence is there that he was looking for the full? He clearly goes to play the ball but misses it completely and at no point has a look to see where Cash is either.

BringBack_leGin · Mar 22, 2021

King of Otters said:
Well Jose did promise to take him to another level.

You know better than to add any credence to something coming from an Athletic journo ?

King of Otters · Mar 22, 2021

BringBack_leGin said:
You know better than to add any credence to something coming from an Athletic journo ?

I don't actually! Orstein is excellent, and unlikely to make something like that up. imo of course.

Things can change quickly in football though. Hopefully we get Nagelsmann in the summer and he convinces Harry to give it another season.

Nebby · Mar 22, 2021

It's a penalty all day long.

BringBack_leGin · Mar 22, 2021

King of Otters said:
I don't actually! Orstein is excellent, and unlikely to make something like that up. imo of course.

Things can change quickly in football though. Hopefully we get Nagelsmann in the summer and he convinces Harry to give it another season.

Ah my apologies, I mistakenly thought you were in the same boat as thinking they’re as big a bunch of liars as the red tops, just with a more upmarket undertone. Consider my assumption retracted.

Still don’t feel that, even if true, Ornstein would have any way of knowing it. For Kane to allow info like that to be public enough that it would get back to any journalist wouldn’t be in keeping with how he seems to do things so far. If it’s accurate I reckon it’s pot luck.

Meercat · Mar 22, 2021

The difference between Kane and Bergwijn in this situation, just a few days apart is noticeable. SB hurdled the impact as the Dinamo defender scythes into the slide challenge, ball goes out of play, dead ball. Kane in an almost identical situation makes sure there’s impact rather than avoiding it, penalty. You’ve got to say one is an example of smart play.

southlondonyiddo · Mar 22, 2021

Nebby said:
It's a penalty all day long.

It’s very clever and he does Cash like a kipper but in the spirit of the game I do not think that should be a penalty

If Kane has control of the ball and drags the ball back it’s 1000% a pen but as he doesn’t touch the ball and quite frankly doesn’t care where the ball is, that shouldn’t be a pen

King of Otters · Mar 22, 2021

BringBack_leGin said:
Ah my apologies, I mistakenly thought you were in the same boat as thinking they’re as big a bunch of liars as the red tops, just with a more upmarket undertone. Consider my assumption retracted.

Still don’t feel that, even if true, Ornstein would have any way of knowing it. For Kane to allow info like that to be public enough that it would get back to any journalist wouldn’t be in keeping with how he seems to do things so far. If it’s accurate I reckon it’s pot luck.

There are ways for someone like Orstein to come by that info without it coming directly from Kane though. If City are actively trying to sign him, which they probably are, then they will know through Kane's agency whether or not he's open to leaving. That info could quite easily find it's way back to a well connected journo without Kane leaking it himself.

0-Tibsy-0 · Mar 22, 2021

I don't think it should have been a penalty. The rules say it should.

It obviously wasn't a dive though.

I don't understand how that can even be a question.

TheBlueRooster · Mar 22, 2021

southlondonyiddo said:
It’s very clever and he does Cash like a kipper but in the spirit of the game I do not think that should be a penalty

If Kane has control of the ball and drags the ball back it’s 1000% a pen but as he doesn’t touch the ball and quite frankly doesn’t care where the ball is, that shouldn’t be a pen

At the end of the day it comes down to the referee and how he interpretes the laws of the game. Was contact made? Yes! Was the ball in play? Yes! Was it in the penalty area? Yes! Put all those together decision, penalty.
Although I agree it didn't stop a goal being scored what else could the referee give. Unlike last weeks one where Sanchez was kicked and didn't make a foul. Probably in truth on both occasions a goal kick should have been given. With VAR the referees could look at the most likely scenario and make his decision based on that. Play was going nowhere on both incidents and the referees actually gifted two goals one against us and one for us.
I think Kane was clever and I applaud him for that, it's something we've needed for years. We've been too nice for too long.

Typical Spurs · Mar 22, 2021

I'm bamboozled by some of you. I always try and acknowledge an opinion. But I can't fathom how anybody doesn't think its a pen.

Just because it wasn't your typical kind of foul, does not mean its not a foul.

Kane completely fucked up what he was doing. Got caught in 2 minds and did nothing. Cash, expecting Kane 2 probably whip it in with left, slides to block. But because Kane messed up what he was actually doing, cash slides into him thus taking him out.

Kane is one of the most intelligent footballers playing. He knows very well how to win a foul, which may I say is completely different to diving. He may have known what he was was doing. But even though I don't think he did know what he was doing, its still a clear pen as he's taken out. If the defender doesn't slide into him, Kane doesn't go to ground on the ball rolls out for a goal kick.

Just my opinion. Not saying I'm right. Not saying anyone who sees it differently is wrong.

nico97531 · Mar 22, 2021

JoaoPereira said:
I did very clearly said he accentuated the trend, not initiated.

not only did I say that I find the penalty incident yesterday a foul, but I also said later in the conversation that looking for a foul is different from milking one out of marginal contact and my problem is with the latter, not the former.

Then I must have misunderstood when you said the latter is the definition of diving while replying to the below post

Shadydan said:
Diving isn't the same as exaggerating contact or looking for the foul.

A dive in my book is when someone goes down when there is absolutely no contact made. Exagerstting contact is when there is enough contact to send the player down but they make sure they ref sees it.

In the incident yesterday the defender was reckless as he was sliding therefore out of control.

JoaoPereira said:
the former is not, the latter it is. it is the definition of diving in football, even moreso with the addition of VAR.

YB123 · Mar 22, 2021

Its a horrible thought...but if Kane were to leave. Who would you replace him with? or do a Liverpool and buy big in other key areas.

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