This club is going nowhere under ENIC. A DOF wont change much. The root cause of the problem at this club is ownership does not give a shit about the football. All about the infrastructure without realizing you also need to invest in a good product on the field. Then on top of that it is very clear they have contempt for the very supporters that are the backbone of the club. The season ticket holders, the match goers. ENIC simply does not give a shit about them. They have made that abundantly clear.
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agrdavidsfan
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I actually don’t think we have the money to spend we have to compete smartly it’s frustration but it’s reality,
We may be in a worse state if some billionaire took us over and treated us as their toy until they get bored
We may be in a worse state if some billionaire took us over and treated us as their toy until they get bored
No club has the money to spend right now. But they do have the owners willing to help them out of this while we have billionaire owners we are not willing to spend a dime on the club.
shelfboy68
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Unfortunately they won't be going anywhere but as fan's there is little any of us can do about it other than don't attend games or buy the merchandise.
But yes I would agree that from the football perspective they are fucking useless and I have no faith or trust that they will ever get this right.
shelfboy68
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City and Chelsea owners have not got bored yet with one of them having trouble with his UK visa, yet still they keep on getting it right for the most part with success.
VancouverSpur
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I will give it to Levy as things look as fresh as they did when he started 20 years ago.
Problem is it was 2001 and we were shit.
Right now Spurs are like one of those businesses you go into that has a business of the year award hung up on the wall. But it’s from 2008 and you just feel sorry for them.
Problem is it was 2001 and we were shit.
Right now Spurs are like one of those businesses you go into that has a business of the year award hung up on the wall. But it’s from 2008 and you just feel sorry for them.
SirNiNyHotspur
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Rather than keep getting frustrated banging my head of a brick wall against BSoDL (really not sure what it would take for them to turn against them after ESL) will take a back seat and let this play out, I’m sure another 5/10 years of ENiC we will see the same failures and the same people making excuses for them and talking of the future...
I didn’t watch the game today, was a refreshing break, ENIC won’t be getting another penny from me directly or indirectly, maybe whenever they are seeing half empty stadiums in a few years they’ll move on as I can’t see them changing their ways and can only see an extended few years of angst, we are in a mess largely started 2018 but lets be honest there have been many failures before that warned us of their true ambition.
Disclaimer I won’t be engaging with the BSoDL as that is a waste of my time, much like watching Spurs, away to enjoy my Saturday football/ENIC free ?
Try to enjoy your day lads/lasses, it’s only football..,
I didn’t watch the game today, was a refreshing break, ENIC won’t be getting another penny from me directly or indirectly, maybe whenever they are seeing half empty stadiums in a few years they’ll move on as I can’t see them changing their ways and can only see an extended few years of angst, we are in a mess largely started 2018 but lets be honest there have been many failures before that warned us of their true ambition.
Disclaimer I won’t be engaging with the BSoDL as that is a waste of my time, much like watching Spurs, away to enjoy my Saturday football/ENIC free ?
Try to enjoy your day lads/lasses, it’s only football..,
SecretLemonadeDrinker
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Levy is as responsible for the things that have gone right during his tenure as he is responsible for the things that have gone wrong. That's how it works.
Sure, Poch was brilliant for us and we did punch above our weight. But Levy appointed Poch.
And sure, Kane emerging from the academy was a gift. But it was Levy who prioritised the complete overhaul of what was previously a neglected and underperforming youth system into what became one of the best academies in the country. Without it, there has to be considerable doubt that Kane would ever have come to Spurs or, if he did, that he would have developed into the player that he is.
And let's not forget that that brilliant team wasn't just Kane. It was also Lloris, Verthongen, Alderweireld, Rose, Walker, Dembele, Eriksen, Son, Dier (yes, he was once good), Alli and Wanyama. It would be absurd to deny Levy his share of the credit for assembling such a squad.
Yes, it has all gone to shit since.
Yes, Levy fucked up royally.
Yes, we have a lot of work to do just to get back to where we were - let alone to exceed it.
But let's not try to rewrite history.
southlondonyiddo
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Poch said it was going to be painful and boy was he right
Levy knew this would cost a lot of money so didn’t back him, didn’t want to believe him and hoped to bodge it so brought in the best in the game
Jose probably quite early knew that Poch was on to something....
Our squad with all its deadwood and players sitting comfortably on fat contracts after getting rid of 2 managers now...
The only hope for a turnaround is going back to a Jol/Arneson scenario in the Summer with 7/8 out and a similar number in
Cannot see that happening, unfortunately
Levy knew this would cost a lot of money so didn’t back him, didn’t want to believe him and hoped to bodge it so brought in the best in the game
Jose probably quite early knew that Poch was on to something....
Our squad with all its deadwood and players sitting comfortably on fat contracts after getting rid of 2 managers now...
The only hope for a turnaround is going back to a Jol/Arneson scenario in the Summer with 7/8 out and a similar number in
Cannot see that happening, unfortunately
SecretLemonadeDrinker
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Tottenham's total spend on player transfers over the past 20 years is c. £1.33 billion.
Total spend on building projects over the same period is more or less the same.
Future spend on building projects will be minimal.
Future spend on players will be greatly enhanced by the now completed building projects.
DiVaio
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Poch in summer 2019 wanted Lo Celso, Ndombele, Sess and Clarke. Then during season we had news from reliable sources that Poch wants to give more time for Skipp, Tanganga and Parrott as a part of rebuild. Levy wanted to save so much money that he sacked him and went for manager who wants even more money to spend, makes sense.
Its daniel levy. Nothing that fucking clown ever does on the football side makes a lick of sense. Hes a fucking idiot who needs to go.
MassadaTom
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Boy oh boy
You can have morality- then you work on budgets.
Or you can use City and Chelsea as shining example of proper clubs but then you would have to support Daniel over SL.
And they are not getting it fucking right! They buy trophies with somebody blood and tears . Nothing could made it worth it!
spuradik
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But there is mate. You are right in that they are going nowhere, but in order to make our voice heard we just need to speak their language, i.e. money. Stop buying season tickets, stop paying for merchandise and see how quickly they'll respond. We are after all, in their parlance, 'customers', so we have every right to choose not to participate in that process. Going to the stadium protesting, holding placards and screaming your heart out won't do jack. That language does not register with them.
It's honestly so depressing that it's come down to this.
mrlilywhite
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To be totally honest, I feel exasperated & totally fed up with how this club is run from a footballing perspective. Yes, Levy has done marvelous at running the club as a business and investment opportunity & we cannot fault his endeavors in that respect, but it comes to a point as a fan and ardent supporter where you just have to raise your hands up and just give up & let what will be, be. There is almost absolutely no point looking for answers or indeed knowing the answers - we are powerless to make any changes to the way the club is run.
I have looked for answers where there wasn't any really - sack poch, sack Jose, blame the players, blame the system, blame the tactics, blame the stadium, blame playing at Wembley, blame levy's investment or lack of (in fact this is one area where we can have an argument with tbh). The fundamental problem is ENIC and Levy. Their actions positive or negative drive the culture & mentality of the club. As fans, we only have a very simple request play football and win, but truth be known, winning for this club will at best be a token league cup, so we'd better just get used to it and lump it.
The answer has always been to get rid of ENIC and I'm aligned with that prospect but are any of you actually prepared to be the next City or PSG, or even Chelsea? Because that is the only way this club ever gets an opportunity to play, compete and win things from where I can see. Being self-sustainable will only let us compete and not challenge.
For me, I'm totally prepared to just go along for the ride now, as getting emotionally wrapped up in things I cannot change is a pointless exercise.
I have looked for answers where there wasn't any really - sack poch, sack Jose, blame the players, blame the system, blame the tactics, blame the stadium, blame playing at Wembley, blame levy's investment or lack of (in fact this is one area where we can have an argument with tbh). The fundamental problem is ENIC and Levy. Their actions positive or negative drive the culture & mentality of the club. As fans, we only have a very simple request play football and win, but truth be known, winning for this club will at best be a token league cup, so we'd better just get used to it and lump it.
The answer has always been to get rid of ENIC and I'm aligned with that prospect but are any of you actually prepared to be the next City or PSG, or even Chelsea? Because that is the only way this club ever gets an opportunity to play, compete and win things from where I can see. Being self-sustainable will only let us compete and not challenge.
For me, I'm totally prepared to just go along for the ride now, as getting emotionally wrapped up in things I cannot change is a pointless exercise.
mkkid
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Yes Daniel, can we put these building in our honours lists.
sainburys superstore champions 2019
Biggest club shop in Europe champions 2019
Longest bar champions 2019
sky walk champions 2019
1000 house 2021
we won it all....and
Feel the glory..can the club produce some banners/flags , we can wave before the game.
shelfboy68
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Who died and made you a saint since when did morality mean anything in the business world, get a grip of yourself and wake up to money equates success.
Your living in an idealistic world where ethics and sustainability are going to win out like a Knight in shining armour it isn't happening.
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mrlilywhite
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No fan stops buying merchandise, game tickets, etc - why? Cause they support the club, not the owners. We, as fans and supporters are emotionally invested in Tottenham Hotspur, not ENIC. Sure there are fair-weather fans who'll walk away once the performance drops off and we become mid-table mediocrity, but for the most part, we'll stand by the club, the name, and what it represents to us as a collective and individuals. At the end of the day, we'll still buy these things that we love and most of us still love this club.
Lighty64
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not designed but under his stewardship, we purchased the players, under his stewardship we purchased the manager.
you keep moaning we never backed the manager, please tell me where the funds were to purchase the players needed, and what players would have guaranteed anything different to what's happening today.
over a 10 year period, THE STADIUM had an impact on spending, the only season the manager received no backing was due to Poch not wanting plan B's. Please tell me what players would choose us over both Manchester clubs, or Juventus or Barca
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