Harry Winks - Leicester City

Trix · Jul 27, 2021

Spartanspurs said:
Then Kane is the biggest rat of them all. Winks supposedly moaning behind the scenes to the press is 100 times less bad than Kane's interview with Neville. Winks moaning about Jose when he'd already mostly lost the dressing room isn't even in the same ballpark as Kane publicly destabilising the team whilst the season is still going on. Especially since one of his supposed best mates was the manager at the time.

Rose was supported by a lot of Spurs fans for "saying it how it is" even though his comments were far more damaging and out right insulting to our new signings.

I can't at all see the justification for the hate for Winks, especially since the only thing he's publicly done is say he wants to be playing more. Which frankly I think is a healthy attitude, I'd be worried if a player was happy not starting.

Spurrific said:
This is why you lot need to take ITK with a pinch of salt, not base your opinions on it. I’m not doubting the information, or casting aspersions, but some of you are ready to fully despise a person based on what an anonymous person on the internet has told you.

It’s meant to be a bit of fun, but lately a load of posters are using info as an excuse to turn spiteful and vitriolic. The shit about Winks may well be true, but it’s something that is probably unprovable/unfalsifiable - so the hatred he’s getting is a little bit OTT imo.

That's fair enough but I guess I'm alowed to be angry considering I haven't heard this from some anonomous bloke off the net?

Trix · Jul 27, 2021

razzmaster said:
Can anyone remember what Winks' comments to the press were? I don't remember anything particularly destabilising coming out in the media.

It never made it to press. Well the piece in question he got caught out on. There were other stories about the dressing room turning against Jose that did however.

ajspurs · Jul 27, 2021

Spurrific said:
This is why you lot need to take ITK with a pinch of salt, not base your opinions on it. I’m not doubting the information, or casting aspersions, but some of you are ready to fully despise a person based on what an anonymous person on the internet has told you.

It’s meant to be a bit of fun, but lately a load of posters are using info as an excuse to turn spiteful and vitriolic. The shit about Winks may well be true, but it’s something that is probably unprovable/unfalsifiable - so the hatred he’s getting is a little bit OTT imo.

This is my take on it too. I want Winks to leave because I think he's very much part of the group that we really need to move on and develop from and I got the impression that he thought he should have been playing a lot more, when in my opinion he was lucky to play as much as he did. BUT, all the other stuff, like him being the rat and all things similar is something I can't base my opinion of him off as I have no idea if that's really the truth. Feel like it's unfair to hate the guy based off a rumour. At least from where I'm standing, maybe others know more that strongly suggest it's all true.

Spartanspurs · Jul 27, 2021

Aphex said:
Such a bad take. Kane's interview wasn't that bad, it was a bit stupid and illjudged but all he said was I'm going to speak to the chairman and see how it goes, he didn't say he wanted to leave. Neville even said afterwards that Kane never said he wanted to leave Spurs. Not to mention he's given us years of world class service.

What does Kane being a better player have to do with it? He publicly shat on the club as a whole and now has his brother going to the Sun to kick up even more fuss undermining our position in the transfer market.

Aphex said:
Winks is a prick. Not only does he not have the talent of Kane's little toe, he was kicking off because Jose wouldn't play him, despite the fact that everytime he played he stunk the place out. His ego is clearly way too big. At a time when we needed players to rally round, he threw the towel in. His performances last season, at places like Everton and in the league cup to can't remember who, when he came on as a sub were the worst performances I can remember from a Spurs player in modern times.

The bloke is a cretin, clearly only in it for himself, and to boot he's shite. I will celebrate when he leaves the club.

You've made such unbelievably harsh judgements on his personality over basically nothing. Saying he's only in it for himself and calling him a cretin for it is well out of line imo. Also so what if he's in it mostly for himself? Most players are. Evidently including Kane but why is no-one giving him nearly as much shit?

Aphex · Jul 27, 2021

Spurrific said:
This is why you lot need to take ITK with a pinch of salt, not base your opinions on it. I’m not doubting the information, or casting aspersions, but some of you are ready to fully despise a person based on what an anonymous person on the internet has told you.

It’s meant to be a bit of fun, but lately a load of posters are using info as an excuse to turn spiteful and vitriolic. The shit about Winks may well be true, but it’s something that is probably unprovable/unfalsifiable - so the hatred he’s getting is a little bit OTT imo.

I think there is alot of smoke around Winks, and the fact we are looking to shift him, and Lloris's post match interview talking about bad apples in the cart...not to mention Trix is one of the most reliable ITKs there is and he has repeatedly stated what he has heard....

razzmaster · Jul 27, 2021

Trix said:
It never made it to press. Well the piece in question he got caught out on. There were other stories about the dressing room turning against Jose that did however.

Thanks

-Afri-Coy- · Jul 27, 2021

Trix said:
That's fair enough but I guess I'm aloud to be angry considering I haven't heard this from some anonomous bloke off the net?

Your info is only solid if it's positive news otherwise it's just glorified hearsay :ROFLMAO:

Sometimes we can't win.

For what it's worth, I tend to place more weight on what you, herc, H88 and other ITK say than the press.

Your versions of any info relating to the club are almost always the most balanced.

Spartanspurs · Jul 27, 2021

Trix said:
That's fair enough but I guess I'm aloud to be angry considering I haven't heard this from some anonomous bloke off the net?

Absolutely. I just can't form an opinion on a guy based on your opinion which is formed on information pretty much entirely unknown to me.

Aphex · Jul 27, 2021

Spartanspurs said:
What does Kane being a better player have to do with it? He publicly shat on the club as a whole and now has his brother going to the Sun to kick up even more fuss undermining our position in the transfer market.

You've made such unbelievably harsh judgements on his personality over basically nothing. Saying he's only in it for himself and calling him a cretin for it is well out of line imo. Also so what if he's in it mostly for himself? Most players are. Evidently including Kane but why is no-one giving him nearly as much shit?

I'm not sure the big deal about me calling him a cretin is on here. I'm not saying it to his face, but if the stories are true, he does qualify as one in my book. It's fine if players are in it for themselves, but that doesn't entitle them to kick off to the press and leak stories to get our manager sacked and which will obviously negatively impact our season. They should keep quiet and then have a word with the maanger and chairman and ask to leave, or knuckle down and improve. Seems Winks did neither, snake IMO.

-Afri-Coy- · Jul 27, 2021

Spartanspurs said:
Absolutely. I just can't form an opinion on a guy based on your opinion which is formed on information pretty much entirely unknown to me.

Fair enough, however couple those rumors with his dismal appearances the last 12 months and it doesn't justify keeping him.

vuzp · Jul 27, 2021

Spartanspurs said:
Absolutely. I just can't form an opinion on a guy based on your opinion which is formed on information pretty much entirely unknown to me.

Hugo's interview video Trix added above was a big thing for me when i first heard it, so you know that there was things going on that was not good.

Spurrific · Jul 27, 2021

Trix said:
That's fair enough but I guess I'm aloud to be angry considering I haven't heard this from some anonomous bloke off the net?

Obviously. As I said, I’m not casting any aspersions on the information. I do think, however, that posters on here are becoming far more toxic than Winks allegedly is - mainly because he’s not that good of a player and he’s an easy scapegoat. Again, not doubting any validity.

-Afri-Coy- said:
Your info is only solid if it's positive news otherwise it's just glorified hearsay Sometimes we can't win.

For what it's worth, I tend to place more weight on what you, herc, H88 and other ITK say than the press.

Your versions of any info relating to the club are almost always the most balanced.

What are you actually on about? Who said the info wasn’t solid? I said it’s something unprovable, and unfalsifiable. Not that it wasn’t true.

Spartanspurs · Jul 27, 2021

-Afri-Coy- said:
Fair enough, however couple those rumors with his dismal appearances the last 12 months and it doesn't justify keeping him.

I agree he needs to go, for his sake and ours. I just don't think he needs to have so much shit thrown at him on the way out the door is all.

spursfan77 · Jul 27, 2021

Trix said:

If Hugo hasn’t spoke to Nuno already or doesn’t plan to when he returns to the training ground, about what happened last season and the origins of this interview, then can he continue as captain (for example, obviously he should) ? It is his responsibility to transfer this news to the new man.

We all watched that interview and came to the conclusion that the club was rotten from top to bottom. Lacking in leadership, drive and wanting to win. I doubt much has changed and won’t without selling the trouble makers.

Hugo, Kane and the senior players need to have spoken to Nuno to let him know the state of play.

If not, it really isn’t helping the new man out. People need to step up so they can all pull together.

nedley · Jul 27, 2021

Matthew said:
he bossed the game against Madrid, believed his own hype! got arrogant, and stopped doing the things that made him a good player, also started being a little bitch behind the scenes ( allegedly) .

I'd argue that he lost form amongst others that lost form in a squad that was allowed to get stale and not helped by a manager like Jose who was so past it, it was unreal.

Not making excuses for him but he played very well at a time this club was doing well. He bossed quite a few games against the elite in the CL and also played well for England. What he hasn't done is rise above and take an opportunity. He's allowed himself to wallow.

But now is the time for him to seek pastures new. He's become stale like a few others have/had.

But to say he's a bad player is nonsense.

brendanb50 · Jul 27, 2021

Spartanspurs said:
I agree he needs to go, for his sake and ours. I just don't think he needs to have so much shit thrown at him on the way out the door is all.

This is it at the end of the day.

There are multiple factors in a player's form, development and attitude. We're talking positions, injuries, coaching, management; so many elements which can derail a player's career.

As you've said, i think it looks better all round for him to move. The club seemingly don't want him anymore and he himself has gone stale with us. Now does that mean he can't turn it around under a new manager? Of course not, but you can't help but feel a move to fresh pastures will help him to make that positive change - New manager and team mates to impress, nothing given based on previous tenure, everything to prove again.

Lingard is actually a really good example of what regular football and a change of scenery can do for a player.

My only concern is that homegrown element we need in our squad now but that shouldn't be a reason to keep a player longer than necessary.

coy-spurs1882 · Jul 27, 2021

brendanb50 said:
This is it at the end of the day.

There are multiple factors in a player's form, development and attitude. We're talking positions, injuries, coaching, management; so many elements which can derail a player's career.

As you've said, i think it looks better all round for him to move. The club seemingly don't want him anymore and he himself has gone stale with us. Now does that mean he can't turn it around under a new manager? Of course not, but you can't help but feel a move to fresh pastures will help him to make that positive change - New manager and team mates to impress, nothing given based on previous tenure, everything to prove again.

Lingard is actually a really good example of what regular football and a change of scenery can do for a player.

My only concern is that homegrown element we need in our squad now but that shouldn't be a reason to keep a player longer than necessary.

We have Skipp, Sessegnon, Tanganga and Clarke and Dele is not likely to leave so it won't be a problem

daryl hannah · Jul 27, 2021

Everything was going swimmingly before the injury - he was playing well. However the no.8 shirt carries a sense of mercuriality which he does not possess. I remember Mason ceremoniously passing the shirt to him and thinking that it should be reserved for someone like Ndombele - someone who gets you out of your seat with their creativity. And for me that’s entirely why it’s time to go.

Erik ten Hank · Jul 27, 2021

Trix said:
Doesn't matter what was happening running off to the press telling lies to create unrest to get the manager sacked is disgusting. The kids a weasel end of!

And the worst part is that he got rewarded for it by getting to play the final...

daryl hannah · Jul 27, 2021

coy-spurs1882 said:
We have Skipp, Sessegnon, Tanganga and Clarke and Dele is not likely to leave so it won't be a problem

It’s never a problem - U21s always make up the numbers. If it was a problem, THFC would be disqualified.

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