Harry Kane

olliec · Jul 31, 2021

TH1239 said:
If the ultimate sporting objective is to break back into the top four, and the club do not have the financial scope to engage in a significant net spend this summer due to recent debt and lost stadium income, there are two seldom discussed factors that weigh in favor of selling Kane this summer if City offer 150 million pounds:

#1: If Kane leaves, the club will have freed up an absolutely enormous sum of money from the wage bill from his departure, as well as the departures of Bale, Alderweireld, Mourinho, Rose and Vinicius. That's potentially 800K a week in wage bill reduction from just those aforementioned names. If you add in players who are strongly linked with moves away (Sissoko, Winks, Sanchez, Aurier), there will be well over 1 million pounds a week less on the wage bill under the above scenario. Now, the club will have presumably signed Gil, Romero, Tomiyasu and Gollini, but those aren't players who were on enormous wages. Gil, for example, according to media reports, was purportedly offered a little more than 40K a week. Tomiyasu and Gollini likely wouldn't be on wages much greater than that, and Romero, while almost undoubtedly on a higher salary, probably would be somewhere in the 80K-100K bracket based on similarly situated past signings. Even if you take into Son's reported wage increase from 140K a week to 200K a week, Nuno's wages, plus the additions of Skipp and Sessegnon, the net impact to the wage bill in the above scenario would see the club potentially have saved north of 600K a week versus last season. That provides enormous scope for the club to maneuver in the transfer market to improve the squad (admittedly, this is all hypothetical and a bit speculative given the lack of definitive reports on salaries, but very much worth gaming out).

#2: Paratici's negotiating experience and contacts are seemingly among the best in world football. With 150 million pounds to spend and enormous flexibility in regards to the wage bill, there are a lot of possibilities, especially in Italy, for rebuilding the team. For example, both Dybala and Insigne have one year left on their contracts. Would 250K a week entice them to consider a move to Spurs? Lautaro Martinez and Koulibaly both have two years left on their deals and have been heavily linked with moves. Would major wage increases tempt either or both to consider a move to Spurs? If you don't want to go the route of more established players, Paratici could potentially sign a whole host of players with upside in Vlahovic, Damsgaard, Aouar, Milenkovic, Locatelli and Berardi.

Perhaps a third route the club could go would involve keeping Kane and not being able to add more than one player potentially beyond Romero and Tomiyasu due to transfer fee limitations, but because of substantial wage bill savings, the club could opt to make a move for one or two big money loan deals (say Coutinho and/or Pjanic).

Still, if Kane is sold for the mooted 150 million pound fee, the squad should still be in a position to do well this season and in the seasons to come.

Wouldn’t mind us going in really hard on chiesa to be honest if we can honestly afford him. That player is an absolute delight to watch.

DenverSpur · Jul 31, 2021

Guntz said:
I agree it shouldn't reduce what we want

However, it's very hard for a club to keep a player who really doesn't want to be there. Especially when there are 100's of millions of pounds at stake.

The thing is Kane didn’t cost us ANYTHING! If and when he leaves any money we get from him is pure profit. Yes we have to buy a replacement but we won’t have to add on Kane’s cost to that price. I personally would be quite happy to see him run down his contract and leave for free. It would mean we had one of the best strikers in the world for nearly 10 years for free( bar wages). In that time period we could have had 2 or 3 or even more strikers (depending on how good they’d been)who would have probably cost us anything from 100 million upwards. Having said that if City want him this year 200 million should be the figure given his career stats and image profile.

SpartanSpur · Jul 31, 2021

sausage said:
All of which is fanciful confirmation bias, if you want to believe that Harry Kane and Pochettino had absolutely nothing to do with chucking away every chance we had to win something - with one of the best squads we've ever had.

Of course they played their part. Poch wasn't perfect by any means.

I remember Kane missing some big chances against Leicester in a game that probably meant more than we realised at the time.

That said I think trying to pin blame on Kane specifically for the finals we lost is even more fanciful IMO, and simply a way of trying to put it back on him because he wants out.

JamieSpursCommunityUser · Jul 31, 2021

SpartanSpur said:
It's pretty crazy that he's potentially walking away from being potentially the club's most treasured ever player (statues and stand naming levels) to go and win a PL with Man City that they'd have probably won without him.

I get that all of those near misses will really be eating away at him but signing for City is just a cheat code to easy trophies. Sounds a bit of a hollow victory to me.

Ultimately I blame ENIC for letting us fall so badly that he feels the need to leave but I do wonder if it'd really be worth it in the long run.

You have to understand the conformist nature of the basic minded English footballer.

If Souness and Jamie Redknapp say you aren't relevant until you win trophies for the richest team who already win those trophies without you - then that is what Mr basic minded footballer will do.

He doesn't possess the inspiration to care about whether that success is either profoundly meaningful or mindnumpingly vapid - Teddy Sheringham and Paul Merson will tell him he's NOW been validated. Career complete, me retire happy.

If that's what matters to him, it's depressing but ultimately his choice what to care about. But he doesn't get to dictate the terms of breaking his contract with the club, any more than Spurs get to dictate paying him less money had his ankle problems caused a serious decline.

Both parties made a contractual commitment for him to earn no less than £60m over 6 years service, whether Spurs or Kane's stock rose or fall.

To break that contract ALL parties need to be satisfied with the terms. Kane can "insist" all he likes, it doesn't mean diddly.

kieranfitchett · Jul 31, 2021

if he doesn’t want to be here pay Fiorentina what they want for Vlahovic, not worth keeping someone who wants to be somewhere else

WorcesterTHFC · Jul 31, 2021

phieffect said:
Might just be me but if he does leave, i don't want him back in 5-6 years on some nostalgia tour trying to break the record

I wouldn't even guarantee that he'll be playing professionally by then, certainly not in the PL. For all his efforts to look after himself, he simply can't trust his ankles 100%. Sticking around and taking ages to get the goals he needs to go past Greavsie's record would be detrimental to the team and the club as a whole.

FibreOpticJesus · Jul 31, 2021

Guntz said:
Yeah, Kane isn't a die-hard Spurs fan. He was an Arsenal fan as a kid.

Obviously, he'll have some sort of affinity for us as he's come through the academy. But the idea that he's a proper fan like you or me is foolish IMO.

But but but he kissed the badge?

Gilzean at the near post · Jul 31, 2021

Whatever Kane wants becomes irrelevant if no-one matches our valuation. I don't think the money is available from abroad and I'm not sure City have it especially as I understand they still have an FFP investigation ongoing?

sausage · Jul 31, 2021

SpartanSpur said:
Of course they played their part. Poch wasn't perfect by any means.

I remember Kane missing some big chances against Leicester in a game that probably meant more than we realised at the time.

That said I think trying to pin blame on Kane specifically for the finals we lost is even more fanciful IMO, and simply a way of trying to put it back on him because he wants out.

I'd suggest reading with some context then.

This isn't "blame Kane" - it is simply re-attributing the part he has played, rather than simply deflecting that all onto the club that pays him a lot of money to win things.

You said:

SpartanSpur said:
Ultimately I blame ENIC for letting us fall so badly that he feels the need to leave

To borrow your phrasing, I think trying to pin blame on the club specifically for the failings of the manager and the players is very fanciful. Kane wants out because he 'wants to win things', but that version of him has never translated onto the pitch when we've been 90 mins away from two League Cups, or a Champions League Trophy.

Real insult to the lads on the team who have done that without him.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 31, 2021

olliec said:
Looks like his brother has done that for him. The way he’s been a little slimy rat going behind our backs and to the media has totally tarnished his brothers reputation with us.

I don't give Harry a pass for anything Charlie does - Charlie does Harry's bidding.

If Kane wanted to put a stop to all this nonsense, all he had to do was come out and say: "I am happy at Spurs, I am looking forward to the new season, with the new gaffer, and I think we will be competing for multiple trophies this year."

snakehipsspurs · Jul 31, 2021

Is anyone else just bored of this all now? If he’s staying, good. If he’s not and we can get the right money for him, sell him and move on.

I think it’s a sign of me getting a bit older maybe that I’m not as devastated as I was when Bale/Modric left.

There’s no loyalty in football, and it’s becoming clear despite all of Harry’s nice words over the years, he has none too.

spursfan77 · Jul 31, 2021

snakehipsspurs said:
Is anyone else just bored of this all now? If he’s staying, good. If he’s not and we can get the right money for him, sell him and move on.

I think it’s a sign of me getting a bit older maybe that I’m not as devastated as I was when Bale/Modric left.

There’s no loyalty in football, and it’s becoming clear despite all of Harry’s nice words over the years, he has none too.

Exactly. If he goes, fuck him. He’ll be just another player who I hope has a shit career because they don’t play for us. I only care about THFC. I couldn’t care less about players once they are gone.

isaac94 · Jul 31, 2021

Just doesnt feel right for me, you are welcome to leave, but kicking up this much fuss for a club you claim you love is not right, if he stayed he would of gone down as a legend for sticking up to greedy money buying clubs, the last baston of loyalty in this increasingly souless game. Trophies don't always equate to legacy steve bull, Totti, di natale, le tissier, Sócrates (never even won a trophy) will be remembered more for there loyalty than Lee sharpe or john o shea did for there trophies. And winning stuff with city wont exactly elevate his name, they are expected to win things, how many trophies with city are equal to one with us

$hoguN · Jul 31, 2021

spids said:
If someone offered any of us £400k per week to forget all about Tottenham who wouldn’t take it? Honestly.

You need some perspective in there. If you are on £25k a year then yes, if you are £200k per week it’s a bit fucking different and should be treated that way

SpartanSpur · Jul 31, 2021

sausage said:
I'd suggest reading with some context then.

This isn't "blame Kane" - it is simply re-attributing the part he has played, rather than simply deflecting that all onto the club that pays him a lot of money to win things.

You said:

To borrow your phrasing, I think trying to pin blame on the club specifically for the failings of the manager and the players is very fanciful. Kane wants out because he 'wants to win things', but that version of him has never translated onto the pitch when we've been 90 mins away from two League Cups, or a Champions League Trophy.

Real insult to the lads on the team who have done that without him.

For me I personally find it very hard to blame him for those finals specifically and it gets my back up. He wasn't fully fit going into two of them and didn't get any real service in any of them. The same applied in the Euro final (he did bury his shootout pen at least). He's hardly had a shot in any of those games. Yes he played his part but his team were outplayed to a man.

I'm sure if he was playing for City or Liverpool in those finals he'd have had a bigger say on proceedings, which is why I can understand how he wants to leave. He's not the kind of player that can get the ball on the half way line and beat multiple players and score.

For me everything comes back to us being on the cusp of something special and failing to push on. We've been regressing and playing catch up ever since. If we were still in the CL and competing for titles he most likely wouldn't be begging to leave.

isaac94 · Jul 31, 2021

spursfan77 said:
Exactly. If he goes, fuck him. He’ll be just another player who I hope has a shit career because they don’t play for us. I only care about THFC. I couldn’t care less about players once they are gone.

I agree, but I also think that with players give that are and sold or leave, for example Lamela I hope does great with his move, Vertonghen, Toby same, they all conducted themselves well for the club and didn't tarnish our name at all. Especially the 2 Belgiums who could of quite easily kicked up a fuss about wanting to win trophies elsewhere. Even Hugo, has shown more loyalty and class than a so called fan and academy product

McFlash · Jul 31, 2021

He said that he wanted us to show ambition, didn't he?
Since then, we've changed the entire structure of the club, signed a couple of bright young talents and are in the process of signing one of the best centre backs around. All during a time when most clubs are brassic and struggling.
If that isn't showing ambition, then I really don't see what else we can be doing.

The whole "wanting to see ambition" just stinks of wanting more money and easy trophies.

SpursTillIDie1882 · Jul 31, 2021

Stoof said:
Looks like his brother is trying The Telegraph now …

His brother is a proper parasitic dirty little numpty arse face... the fact he is a scummy little gooner with the typical gooner fan cheesy smarmy turd grin to boot too...?????

isaac94 · Jul 31, 2021

If Harry honestly cared that much about ambition he would fire his shit agent...

cozzo · Jul 31, 2021

This could end very badly....

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