Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

only1waddle · Feb 16, 2022

JayB said:
Sounds to me like Conte is putting pressure on the board to bring in older players ahead of next season. He’s not a manager for a long-term project, he’s a manager you back to win in the short term.

There are plenty of experienced players he’s worked with (and likely a number of others he’d like to work with) who have favourable contract situations and I’m sure he’d like to bring them in for next season as opposed to signings such as Gil, Pape Sarr, or Royal, but the latter kind of signings are what Levy wants. He’s asking the club to change its transfer methods, IMO.

The sensible thing would be a balance of the two wouldn't it, an older experienced CB like Ginter, for example, on a free would be ok, mixed with some youth prospects and 3 or 4 off the shelf players, but we don't seem to do balance very well..

fishhhandaricecake · Feb 16, 2022

The fact Conte says that in January we sent away 4 players and only brought in 2 so on paper weakened the squad doesn’t worry me too much, what does worry me is that he says that “if you want to go faster to be competitive you need to sign experienced players who are ready now who can add their experience and improve the squad but this is not the clubs strategy, they want to sign young players they can improve and I understand this now”.

That worry’s me because WHO is deciding that this is our strategy, it sounds to me like that is Levy yet again being involved and saying he wants the signings to be under x age with the potential for their value to grow basically.

If Paratici has set this strategy as part of a long-term full re-build then fair enough, I’m not against us focusing our signings on younger players under 25 etc, I actually think it is a good idea in principle if we can sign good ones who develop to a high level BUT if so then:
1) why is Conte only just realising this now?! Surely this would’ve been discussed before he joined?
2) will we flex and still allow Conte to sign some experienced players this summer as it is important we have a mix of experience and youth and not only signing young players
3) if we are focusing on signing under 25 players then the majority still still to be of a high quality level now, if they’re all at Bryan Gil level then we will be waiting a good 4-5 years to be anywhere near top4, if most the signings are more like Bentancur level or above then ok fine.

dagraham · Feb 16, 2022

I’m not too concerned, but then maybe that’s because this is what I expected anyway.

I never seriously believed that ENIC were going to change their MO anyway, not even for Conte.

Plus he likes a moan and has done it everywhere he’s been.

fishhhandaricecake · Feb 16, 2022

spursfan77 said:
Seems like lots of the interview we’ve been reading this evening has though.

Ok that is a tad more positive then. That’s for sharing mate.

snakehipsspurs · Feb 16, 2022

spursfan77 said:
Seems like lots of the interview we’ve been reading this evening has though.

Further to this, Fabrizio has tweeted the translation and for him it's "that's the point" not "that's the issue/problem".

This is what happens when you get your news from a secondary source instead of direct. It's exactly why aggregators are shit.

Hawk_Spur · Feb 16, 2022

Not ideal. There could be some issues with the translation and he’ll probably clear them up in his next presser.

One thing I’m certain of though, is that the honeymoon is clearly over.

JCRD · Feb 16, 2022

EastUpperDK82 said:
So you're saying a world class manager and winner like Conte would be a perfect fit for us when he is 60 years old ? ... to finish the work of a former manager... (hmmmmm... flashback)

Ok firstly this saying and iterating he is a world class manager is meh - world class managers deal with the consequences, dont spout to the media and show positivity and encouragement...

I mean, and not aimed at you, but acting like he is a God and we are so so lucky to have him.

I agree our squad is shit, but we cant go out this summer and buy a whole squad and cant go out and produce a title winning squad. So essentially if he cant handle that then right manager wrong time is the phrase.

rossdapep · Feb 16, 2022

spursfan77 said:
Seems like lots of the interview we’ve been reading this evening has though.

Oh would you look at that!

EastUpperDK82 · Feb 16, 2022

JCRD said:
Ok firstly this saying and iterating he is a world class manager is meh - world class managers deal with the consequences, dont spout to the media and show positivity and encouragement...

I mean, and not aimed at you, but acting like he is a God and we are so so lucky to have him.

I agree our squad is shit, but we cant go out this summer and buy a whole squad and cant go out and produce a title winning squad. So essentially if he cant handle that then right manager wrong time is the phrase.

Fair enough... I respect your opinion of course...

fishhhandaricecake · Feb 16, 2022

JCRD said:
Ok firstly this saying and iterating he is a world class manager is meh - world class managers deal with the consequences, dont spout to the media and show positivity and encouragement...

I mean, and not aimed at you, but acting like he is a God and we are so so lucky to have him.

I agree our squad is shit, but we cant go out this summer and buy a whole squad and cant go out and produce a title winning squad. So essentially if he cant handle that then right manager wrong time is the phrase.

All managers have different characters and ways of dealing with things.

If he wants to say it how it is and have a bit of a moan that’s fine. I have no doubt that on the training group and in the dressing room and on the touch line he will be his usual passionate self giving 110% for his team and the squad to try and get as much out of it as he can.

Pep and Klopp also love a moan but they’re both very different characters to Conte.

Prime Jose loved a moan but he won it all.

I do however agree that he could go about it a different way and be more positive and big up our journey and give us something to hope for but that’s just not really his way. Poch did this in his time with us and it build a wonderful positive momentum, Conte is very different but if we sign him a good 5-6 top players next summer he will then come out and say something like “we had a good summer, we are not the finished article, it will still take time and more then one transfer window but you can sort more in summer, we did that, we improved the squad and we will hopefully be more competitive” and that will be his way of telling us ok it’s go time now. ?

JCRD · Feb 16, 2022

EastUpperDK82 said:
Fair enough... I respect your opinion of course...

And I respect yours and everyone elses. We are all frustrated by what is going on

Dannyspur · Feb 16, 2022

If we are targeting good youngsters, why didn’t we go all out and tie up a couple of those we were linked with in January, presumably by the summer, other clubs will be coming in for them.

LSUY · Feb 16, 2022

only1waddle said:
The sensible thing would be a balance of the two wouldn't it, an older experienced CB like Ginter, for example, on a free would be ok, mixed with some youth prospects and 3 or 4 off the shelf players, but we don't seem to do balance very well..

Agreed. Playing alongside Naybet helped Ledley's development.

bubble07 · Feb 16, 2022

Gareth88 said:
I think we are going through a rebuilding phase and I think we will be in a better position the start of the season as long as we get our signings done early. Still think we need a couple more seasons before we start getting back to our best.

When have we ever got signings done early though ?

JCRD · Feb 16, 2022

fishhhandaricecake said:
All managers have different characters and ways of dealing with things.

If he wants to say it how it is and have a bit of a moan that’s fine. I have no doubt that on the training group and in the dressing room and on the touch line he will be his usual passionate self giving 110% for his team and the squad to try and get as much out of it as he can.

Pep and Klopp also love a moan but they’re both very different characters to Conte.

Prime Jose loved a moan but he won it all.

I do however agree that he could go about it a different way and be more positive and big up our journey and give us something to hope for but that’s just not really his way. Poch did this in his time with us and it build a wonderful positive momentum, Conte is very different but if we sign him a good 5-6 top players next summer he will then come out and say something like “we had a good summer, we are not the finished article, it will still take time and more then one transfer window but you can sort more in summer, we did that, we improved the squad and we will hopefully be more competitive” and that will be his way of telling us ok it’s go time now. ?

I dont like the defeatist atttitude from him. I called it out when we played Chelsea and each time we went out with a whimper.

There are 16 games left - a third of the season remaining, we have three games in hand and we still have to play against the likes of West Ham, Arsenal and Man United... he should be launching a rallying cry and maybe he is doing that in training like you say but you cant be sending mixed messages like that

I mean it filters to fans, all im reading is we will lose against Man City, we will get battered etc... yeah we may but Palace went there and won... why cant we... I can handle losses and defeats but what I cant handle is being defeated before the game even starts.

Also he needs to look at himself, managers need to adapt and be flexible, the conditions wont always be perfect.

thebenjamin · Feb 16, 2022

bubble07 said:
When have we ever got signings done early though ?

Ndombele ?

SpartanSpur · Feb 16, 2022

I'm quite relaxed. If Conte ends up walking in the summer or earlier its just proof we aren't a club that will ever be serious about winning anything under current ownership.

I think he's going a bit overboard of late - possibly self preservation after two shocking results - but he is speaking a lot of truth. If Levy hires him and can't even keep him happy for 18 months then it proves once and for all that we are much more of a property developer and commercial enterprise than a sports team.

I was getting very detached with the club under Jose and Nuno and if Conte goes that will probably be the death knell until the ownership changes. It sucks but at least expectations will be set accurately. Its the hope that kills after all...

the lad · Feb 16, 2022

Brace yourselves for the redshits , dickhead Danny Murphy, bullshitter bent and all the other rent a gobs telling us what we all know - conte and levy’s ambitions don’t match.

13VanDerBale13 · Feb 16, 2022

Jamturk said:
Conte behaving like he is doing us a favour doesn't sit well with me.

Good manager wrong time.

It’s always the wrong time for our managers recently isn’t it, funny that ?

fishhhandaricecake · Feb 16, 2022

JCRD said:
I dont like the defeatist atttitude from him. I called it out when we played Chelsea and each time we went out with a whimper.

There are 16 games left - a third of the season remaining, we have three games in hand and we still have to play against the likes of West Ham, Arsenal and Man United... he should be launching a rallying cry and maybe he is doing that in training like you say but you cant be sending mixed messages like that

I mean it filters to fans, all im reading is we will lose against Man City, we will get battered etc... yeah we may but Palace went there and won... why cant we... I can handle losses and defeats but what I cant handle is being defeated before the game even starts.

Also he needs to look at himself, managers need to adapt and be flexible, the conditions wont always be perfect.

Yea completely fair enough mate.

Id also prefer our manager to be giving us hope and belief rather than seemingly just giving up and being defeatist but you look at how he’s build squads and his track record and you have to trust that overall if backed he will do well so put his comments to one side.

But I do completely agree with your points and perspective and would ideally rather our manager was more daring and positive for sure, but Conte is one of top 5 in the world so I’m fine to accept and ignore and embrace his baggage ?

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