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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Japhet

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The vast majority of the media in this country are absolute scumbags…..always pushing people to the limit and feasting on negativity…what a wonderful way to earn a living……

And the only way to stop them is to ignore them, but that can't happen when so many hang on every word, especially if it's full of negativity.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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The thing is we’re trying to punch above our weight. We don’t have the players to be able to win the league. I know we did well under Poch for a while but that was maybe down to the other team around us not being up to par rather than us being that great (similar to West Ham now). We had Jose who should have been a great manager for us and now we have one of the best. The thing is these managers are only successful with being able to buy whoever they want for crazy money and that’s where we fall short. We could hire Pep and still be in the same shit.
I’m surprised by Conte’s comments because I’m sure he was told what would be available to him (funds) however he really is an emotional guy and maybe even a spoilt brat that’s throwing his toys out of the pram because he lost 4 games out of 5 and he’s never been in this situation before. I’m not even worried about him walking tbh, that would show the mentality of the man. I’m sure if he sticks to the game plan and have a summer window to get what he wants to suit his style of play, we might just make it into the CL spot. To win the league would take huge investment and I’m not sure Levy would be able to sleep if he spent over £90+ for a player.
Guys we’re here to support the club, not individuals. If Conte decides to leave we will still be here……….so will Levy…..unfortunately

COYS

Not having a dig, but we seriously need to get rid of this mentality.

It's down to the quality of the players and the players alone that we are so inconsistent.

Poch, Mourinho, Nuno and now one of the best in the world Conte can't get a tune out of them for more than a short spell.

We need gutting from top to bottom and that has nothing to do with any of the managers who have tried.

It does not say anything about Conte "The Man", it shows how piss poor our recruitment has been for years already.

No matter who is in charge, it will never change the fact that most of the current team is mid level quality at best and need replacing.

Even Klopp had to have a major clear out when he arrived at Pool, even if it took a couple years to get right. We need to show Conte the same faith.
 

Tarricko

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The thing is we’re trying to punch above our weight.

Wanting to be in the mix for 4th spot, considering the competition for that place, and the manager and players at our disposable, is not trying to punch above our weight imo.

No real Tottenham fan has any expectation or even hope to win the league, do they? I cannot imagine Levy does either. If he did, he'd actually invest in the squad, not just the management.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Now it seems even the smallest thing is turned into a negative shitball/argument and quite frankly, its hard to sift through all of that to get to the 10-15% of the members who can keep a level head and post something positive.

We need gutting from top to bottom and that has nothing to do with any of the managers who have tried.

It does not say anything about Conte "The Man", it shows how piss poor our recruitment has been for years already.


If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
 

brasil_spur

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Aug 25, 2006
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Personally I completely understand his comments last night. Christ it's what we're all on here saying day in day out.

The fact we have players like Kane, Dier, Son etc... on the pitch and they put in a shit show like that speaks volumes to the actual situation at Spurs.

The club has only one option now (it always did really) - massive rebuild. We all know there's maybe 10 players, at best, that we should be keeping at the club. That's 10+ players we need to get rid of and replace in the summer. That's the real scale of the challenge here. And that's what Conte is saying IMO.

One thing we can also be doing right now is signing players whose contracts end in the summer. There's at least 5 players we could be signing on pre-contracts right now, at least 2 of which we've been seriously linked with. I would imagine, knowing Spurs and Levy, that there's some push back internally on this newly evolving model of paying out of contract players more wages despite no signing fee to their club.

The only point that I think Conte really needs to look at in himself is what he does for the rest of the season. Surely we can find a solution to RWB in our squad. Surely we can find more creativity up front against weaker teams.

Let's see what happens in the next couple of games, because realistically we're still in the top 4 race, especially if Wolves can get the win tonight.
 

brendanb50

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Jul 21, 2005
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Only so much of a pounding the players can take. The players are applying themselves, Conte has said that repeatedly. Quite simply not enough of them have the talent to go with that application, it's that simple. Too many average or worse players, too many players starting regularly who should either be out the door (Emerson, Winks, Doherty, Sanchez), backups at best (Lucas, PEH, Bergwijn), or who need experience out on loan (Sessegnon).

The way we fix this is to stop making costly recruitment errors. Early days but at least Bentancur and Kulusevski don't look like that at the moment.
Agreed - Good post.

I think what was evident last night was the lack of options at WB and as you've noted, a few players who may be solid squad options but they're not going to push us forward. Burnley were very well drilled and pinched our wide areas well. Without some quality out there to break the lines or do something different (beat a man, cross effectively from different positions) we were forced to play narrow into a busy midfield.

Key positions will hopefully be addressed in the summer with some of the squad options upgraded/moved out.
 

EireYid

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With a manager like Conte you have to take the bad with the good, that's just the way he is. I hope our fans show him the support they've been showing him already on Saturday.
 

Trix

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Not having a dig, but we seriously need to get rid of this mentality.

It's down to the quality of the players and the players alone that we are so inconsistent.

Poch, Mourinho, Nuno and now one of the best in the world Conte can't get a tune out of them for more than a short spell.

We need gutting from top to bottom and that has nothing to do with any of the managers who have tried.

It does not say anything about Conte "The Man", it shows how piss poor our recruitment has been for years already.

No matter who is in charge, it will never change the fact that most of the current team is mid level quality at best and need replacing.

Even Klopp had to have a major clear out when he arrived at Pool, even if it took a couple years to get right. We need to show Conte the same faith.
Indeed

NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNTIL THE SUMMER!
 

The Apprentice

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Mar 10, 2005
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I'm quite enjoying his meltdowns. It's like the collective thoughts and feelings of our disgruntled fan base are being discharge from his chops. We've tried all sorts of approaches to get results and a response, might as well try this one.

If nothing else, it amplifies pressure on the club to back him. Not that it was needed.
 

Nice One Cyril

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Aug 31, 2021
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I, and the majority of our fans, fully support Conte (I hope)... Investment is needed of course, but can't come until the summer window. Until then we must support the players we have, to finish this season with some pride at least.
 

Gassin's finest

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May 12, 2010
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Not having a dig, but we seriously need to get rid of this mentality.

It's down to the quality of the players and the players alone that we are so inconsistent.

Poch, Mourinho, Nuno and now one of the best in the world Conte can't get a tune out of them for more than a short spell.

We need gutting from top to bottom and that has nothing to do with any of the managers who have tried.

It does not say anything about Conte "The Man", it shows how piss poor our recruitment has been for years already.

No matter who is in charge, it will never change the fact that most of the current team is mid level quality at best and need replacing.

Even Klopp had to have a major clear out when he arrived at Pool, even if it took a couple years to get right. We need to show Conte the same faith.
This.

We started the season with a new project/rebuild.

We didn't like that, so we shifted back to the elite manager/improve the level of the players we have approach, with earnest promises of him being backed with the elite level players that they demand.

Said elite manager is realising that he's been sold a dead duck, that he's been duped into joining a mid table team with no means of hitting his level, and the fans are realising that they've been strung along again.

When... not if... Conte washes his hands of us, not a single elite level manager will go near us again. All the club have done is put off the new project/rebuild for another season, in exchange for the bunce they will have got off the new manager bounce.

That is why I've had enough of ENIC, and have been since the ESL announcement.
 

Gassin's finest

C'est diabolique
May 12, 2010
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People don't want positive ITK though. I tried to say last night that it was an emotional response, regardless of what Conte said about it not being. There is no chance that the response had absolutely nothing to do with last night's performance. Therefore there was some emotion invovled, he can't just switch them off. I tried to say this and tried to say he would be backed in the summer but I get a remark about needing X amount of Unicorn emojis to rate my post which I quite frankly found incredibly insulting and therefore deleted the post. Then several jump on the back of it and agree with said post. I'm tired of trying to tell you the plan and trying to remain positive. This place is toxic at times and people just sweep the positive ITK to the side to fit their own agenda. Well I'm done for now, I've been told a few things after last night but quite frankly, I can't be bothered with some of the responses it will inevitably get! Previous ITK has been lost due to some individuals going after what they post and I might not be the best out there, but I can assure you I get very solid info from within the club and pass it on with the best intentions. People need to be careful, because soon enough, there won't be any left on here.
Personally I think you're the best one.
 

13VanDerBale13

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Jul 12, 2011
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Personnel can't be changed until the Summer, so he has to work on fixing this mess, & change something on the PITCH.
 

brendanb50

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Jul 21, 2005
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This.

We started the season with a new project/rebuild.

We didn't like that, so we shifted back to the elite manager/improve the level of the players we have approach, with earnest promises of him being backed with the elite level players that they demand.

Said elite manager is realising that he's been sold a dead duck, that he's been duped into joining a mid table team with no means of hitting his level, and the fans are realising that they've been strung along again.

When... not if... Conte washes his hands of us, not a single elite level manager will go near us again. All the club have done is put off the new project/rebuild for another season, in exchange for the bunce they will have got off the new manager bounce.

That
is why I've had enough of ENIC, and have been since the ESL announcement.
I get the frustration but the bolded part is complete opinion stated as fact. If you think said elite manager was duped by what can be clearly evidenced in every game played since we spoke to him in the summer, then your opinion of him can't be very high.

He may be as frustrated as you are and may well be as fed up as you say but it could also be the case that he knew exactly what he was getting into from the get-go and we may be only a few steps into that (his) process.
 

PLTuck

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Aug 22, 2006
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Whatever his intentions, the constant flip flipping between extremes helps no one. But we knew what he was like, we (fans AND club hierarchy) can't be surprised that he's doing what he does.
 

Gassin's finest

C'est diabolique
May 12, 2010
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I get the frustration but the bolded part is complete opinion stated as fact. If you think said elite manager was duped by what can be clearly evidenced in every game played since we spoke to him in the summer, then your opinion of him can't be very high.

He may be as frustrated as you are and may well be as fed up as you say but it could also be the case that he knew exactly what he was getting into from the get-go and we may be only a few steps into that (his) process.
Of course its my opinion?
 
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