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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

lukalennon

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I think Ndombele is a fantastic player and if we can tap into his undoubted abilities we are better off.

There... said it.
Unfortunately if we had a drill bit hardy enough to tap into his pool, his fortitude and graft mentality would completely tapped out .
 

DogsOfWar

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I was happy to bring in Eriksen as a bit part player to provide an AM option if we were chasing games or to play in a midfield three as a tactical option.
If we can't move on Tanguy then there is still an option to use him in the same role.
Stick him in front of Bissouma/Skipp and his laziness is no longer an issue.

The reality is that we aren't going to be able to get shot of him so let him be 5th/6th choice CM as we are no worse off (unless his attitude around the team is a problem).
 

Ron Burgundy

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I think Ndombele is a fantastic player and if we can tap into his undoubted abilities we are better off.

There... said it.
He hasn't ever shown he's a fantastic player. Ever. He's had a few good flashes in games where he's had very little defensive responsibility.

I'm sure that, with the right attitude, in games against weaker sides he could play a role, but I am far from convinced that he'll ever be good enough to consistently start and perform against better sides in midfield, because his defending is abysmal. With the best will in the world, you don't pay £200k a week for that.

The notion of 'tapping into abilities' implies they're there, which I don't believe they are. He's a talented footballer, but an average midfield player.

We should sell him for as much as we can, as soon as possible, and buy a different player - one that may be less technically gifted, but who understands what it takes to be a proper central midfielder and has the work rate to match
 

Ben1

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I was happy to bring in Eriksen as a bit part player to provide an AM option if we were chasing games or to play in a midfield three as a tactical option.
If we can't move on Tanguy then there is still an option to use him in the same role.
Stick him in front of Bissouma/Skipp and his laziness is no longer an issue.

The reality is that we aren't going to be able to get shot of him so let him be 5th/6th choice CM as we are no worse off (unless his attitude around the team is a problem).
‘Laziness is no longer an issue’ makes me question whether you’ve actually watched Spurs under Conte ? there’s no where to hide ffs
 

double0

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He hasn't ever shown he's a fantastic player. Ever. He's had a few good flashes in games where he's had very little defensive responsibility.

I'm sure that, with the right attitude, in games against weaker sides he could play a role, but I am far from convinced that he'll ever be good enough to consistently start and perform against better sides in midfield, because his defending is abysmal. With the best will in the world, you don't pay £200k a week for that.

The notion of 'tapping into abilities' implies they're there, which I don't believe they are. He's a talented footballer, but an average midfield player.

We should sell him for as much as we can, as soon as possible, and buy a different player - one that may be less technically gifted, but who understands what it takes to be a proper central midfielder and has the work rate to match
I disagree with your assessment. Ndombele has shown his a fantastic player many of us have seen it in him wearing a Tottenham shirt but won't admit to it... the problem was fitness/ desire.

He has the ability no questions theres not many footballers that can do what he can but it take much more than skill and talent... Tottenham paid 200k a week for that talent it not to late imo
 

DogsOfWar

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‘Laziness is no longer an issue’ makes me question whether you’ve actually watched Spurs under Conte ? there’s no where to hide ffs
The trouble is we still only have one of either Richarlison or Kulu and Moura as options off the bench.

Whilst no-one on here particularly wants Ndombele, he's going nowhere, and if we can chuck him on with 10/15 minutes to go (against a tired defence) to rescue a game then at least we could get some return.
 

cusop

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Conte does not only train tactics and total fitness he also requires attitude. Mr Pies has demonstrated one key attribute which is a total disregard for my first sentence.
The guy will be a liability around the training ground. He has to go!!
 

Ron Burgundy

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Jun 19, 2008
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I disagree with your assessment. Ndombele has shown his a fantastic player many of us have seen it in him wearing a Tottenham shirt but won't admit to it... the problem was fitness/ desire.

He has the ability no questions theres not many footballers that can do what he can but it take much more than skill and talent... Tottenham paid 200k a week for that talent it not to late imo
Much of that I don't disagree with, but what he doesn't have is a good footballing brain. Like Lucas Moura - he'll never make the most of his talent because he makes bad decisions.

He'll never fulfil the potential his talent implies he could have - as much because he doesn't get tactics, as his lack of work rate/attitude.

He'll never make it. I just don't think the potential is even there to be a top player. Football is much more than just technique
 

WiganSpur

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I was happy to bring in Eriksen as a bit part player to provide an AM option if we were chasing games or to play in a midfield three as a tactical option.
If we can't move on Tanguy then there is still an option to use him in the same role.
Stick him in front of Bissouma/Skipp and his laziness is no longer an issue.

The reality is that we aren't going to be able to get shot of him so let him be 5th/6th choice CM as we are no worse off (unless his attitude around the team is a problem).
You can't carry passengers in the Prem anymore. What's the point of using a lazy Ndombele if we have the money to replace him with someone like Paqueta who offers both technical ability and work rate?
 

djhotspur

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Much of that I don't disagree with, but what he doesn't have is a good footballing brain. Like Lucas Moura - he'll never make the most of his talent because he makes bad decisions.

He'll never fulfil the potential his talent implies he could have - as much because he doesn't get tactics, as his lack of work rate/attitude.

He'll never make it. I just don't think the potential is even there to be a top player. Football is much more than just technique
I dont want him, i dont want him to stay, but if we are throwing everything at a team trying to get back into a game with the 5 subs rule, he could add something with 15 mins to go.

If we are stuck with him maybe it is worth it, if we literally have no other choice.
 

AtoubaToothpaste

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The trouble is we still only have one of either Richarlison or Kulu and Moura as options off the bench.

Whilst no-one on here particularly wants Ndombele, he's going nowhere, and if we can chuck him on with 10/15 minutes to go (against a tired defence) to rescue a game then at least we could get some return.
I doubt he'll even be registered. We're already at the max of our foreign player limit of 17. So if we want to buy anyone else in, either he (or someone else) goes or he's not registered. He's never going to do the work Conte requires of him. It's fanciful thinking.
 

Ron Burgundy

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I dont want him, i dont want him to stay, but if we are throwing everything at a team trying to get back into a game with the 5 subs rule, he could add something with 15 mins to go.

If we are stuck with him maybe it is worth it, if we literally have no other choice.
I think that's reasonable, yeah. If we literally have no bidders at anything nearing an acceptable price, then let's try. But I have my doubts if Conte will be willing
 

Fergus

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.....he's going nowhere, and if we can chuck him on with 10/15 minutes to go (against a tired defence) to rescue a game then at least we could get some return.
It would be 5 minutes to go by the time he'd finished shuffling on to the pitch.
 

EQP

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Can't see him changing Conte's mind. GLC might (very, very small chance) be given a reprieve considering how well he did out on loan last season but Tanguy went back to the club and league that made him and he was sub-par.

With that said, there a couple teams that could do with his ability and just need to partner Tanguy with more defensive minded CMs to get the best out of him.
 
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