Harry Winks - Leicester City

robotsonic · Aug 19, 2022

I can understand why the rumours that he'd been mouthing off to the press get held against him, and naturally people can think whatever they like about the bloke. But it does seem a bit much sometimes when other players have done far worse in that respect to drag the club through the mud in the press and subsequently went on to continue their career here (Rose, Kane probably the most recent) without it being brought up on every single page of a thread about them.

The only difference I suppose is that he hasn't managed to redeem himself on the pitch due to gametime and injury, which is only so much his fault. It does all get a bit tiresome. At the end of the day he's a Spurs lad who got a nasty injury that probably buggered his long term progression physically, and was mismanaged internally resulting in an overly negative playstyle, so I'm personally more willing to just want the best for him.

FibreOpticJesus · Aug 19, 2022

TheHoddleWaddle said:
'Allegedly'.

Baffles me how people have taken this snippet of rumour and absolutely shredded the lads character.

Most disrespected player in a long time, for one who always put in effort. Sad really. Lad always comes across professional, humble & polite. Doesn't deserve this odd backlash. I'm obviously in a minority, but can't help present a different point of view.

At this stage I hope he does find another club.

And so do the rest of us. And hopefully he will hurry up about securing the move.

fishhhandaricecake · Aug 19, 2022

robotsonic said:
I can understand why the rumours that he'd been mouthing off to the press get held against him, and naturally people can think whatever they like about the bloke. But it does seem a bit much sometimes when other players have done far worse in that respect to drag the club through the mud in the press and subsequently went on to continue their career here (Rose, Kane probably the most recent) without it being brought up on every single page of a thread about them.

The only difference I suppose is that he hasn't managed to redeem himself on the pitch due to gametime and injury, which is only so much his fault. It does all get a bit tiresome. At the end of the day he's a Spurs lad who got a nasty injury that probably buggered his long term progression physically, and was mismanaged internally resulting in an overly negative playstyle, so I'm personally more willing to just want the best for him.

Great post mate completely agree. Obviously it’s hard to judge without knowing exactly what he’s supposedly done behind the scenes, how often etc etc but if he was mouthing off to the press basically because he wasn’t getting played for his boyhood club who he loves, then he wasn’t the first to do that and won’t be the last.

He seems like a harmless guy who just wants to play for Spurs. Unfortunately he’s not reached the heights he hit under poch at times due to injuries and us changing our style of play and perhaps him losing some confidence and being found out a bit, but as you say it gets tiresome it being brought up so often about what he’s supposedly done whereas Kane/Rose etc didn’t get the repeated abuse.

Winks might not be good enough or everyone’s cup of tea but put yourself in his shoes, spurs fan , came up through out academy, much the same as Andros Townsend, they both bleed white and blue and didn’t/don’t want to leave.

It seems he is clearly not in contes plans so for the sake of all parties he should try to find a move but the abuse he gets from our fans does seem a bit harsh/OTT, he had some great games for us, cares for the club and has generally given his all most times he’s played, I have no hard feelings against him and wish him well if he does find a move.

TheAmerican · Aug 19, 2022

He needs to look at what his predecessor Tom Carroll who realized he needed to leave to salvage his career.

knowlespurs · Aug 19, 2022

yawa said:
because he’s never going to play. Because he’s moaned to the press before and given us negative news.

Why wouldn’t we?

You want to give someone 10m and let him go on a free with 2 weeks left of the window

Bulletspur · Aug 19, 2022

JCRD said:
I'm sure winks doesn't read forums or what is said on them so I doubt he is going to feel disrespected but I do feel there is so much disrespect towards him, not necessarily on here but elsewhere on the Web. Look I don't know if he is a mole or a **** in the club, no idea, I'm only going on the fact he is a born and bred spurs fan and played for his club.

It's right we sell him no doubt, need a clean break and to sort this out for both parties and I also want him gone, but we all expect loyalty and respect from players, yet we go against that when we want them gone.

He is well within his rights to stay on his contract in the same way the club is within its right to sell.

But yeah I hope a club that is suitable comes in and we can draw a line here.

What disrespect? Wink would continue to command love and respect from us the fans, if he was to man up, put pride and ego aside and move on. People are just being real in their assessment of his situation. My view is if you no longer add to anything positive in making my club better, then you go, irrespective of who you are

WiganSpur · Aug 19, 2022

Trix said:
Indeed but they have to be offers that suit him. Obviously they are all going to be a step down from Tottenham, but if he sits out his contract now(which he is completely entitled to do) the offers he'll get will be worse than he's getting currently because he won't have played any football for years, and he might as well retire afterwards.

If he leaves in 2024 on a free transfer after having barely played in that period it's hard to see him anywhere else but a Championship club. I agree it seems dumb but Conte has to walk the walk by preferring youth players to him. Only then he might realise he ain't playing a minute until Conte is gone or his contract is up.

WiganSpur · Aug 19, 2022

Timberwolf said:
I guess since he's never been on loan or left Spurs in any capacity, he might be more reluctant to move than most. This is very much his home and I imagine he's extremely comfortable at the club and settled into a routine here.

That said, he'd be an absolute idiot not to grab any half decent move he can take at this point. Does he really want to tank his career when he's only 26? Seems absurd to me.

Yeah, doesn't strike me as the bravest bloke either. More someone who likes home comforts. Winks is a good example of why at least one loan for a young player is important if they come through at top clubs.

PLTuck · Aug 19, 2022

WiganSpur said:
If he leaves in 2024 on a free transfer after having barely played in that period it's hard to see him anywhere else but a Championship club. I agree it seems dumb but Conte has to walk the walk by preferring youth players to him. Only then he might realise he ain't playing a minute until Conte is gone or his contract is up.

Playing less than Sarr in preseason has probably got the message across loud and clear.

Trix · Aug 19, 2022

WiganSpur said:
If he leaves in 2024 on a free transfer after having barely played in that period it's hard to see him anywhere else but a Championship club. I agree it seems dumb but Conte has to walk the walk by preferring youth players to him. Only then he might realise he ain't playing a minute until Conte is gone or his contract is up.

He's been here a long time though. I guess when he's been left out in the past he's only ever been a sacking away from his mate Mason being in charge and being back in the team, such was his competition in his role. As I've said he has a contract, and we have to honour that. As long as he's as far away from starting games as is physically possible I'm past caring.

He's been told the situation point blank, and so far he's choosing to hang around. It's his choice and as such i personally couldn't care less if he never plays football professionally again.

$hoguN · Aug 19, 2022

Trix said:
He's been here a long time though. I guess when he's been left out in the past he's only ever been a sacking away from his mate Mason being in charge and being back in the team, such was his competition in his role. As I've said he has a contract, and we have to honour that. As long as he's as far away from starting games as is physically possible I'm past caring.

He's been told the situation point blank, and so far he's choosing to hang around. It's his choice and as such i personally couldn't care less if he never plays football professionally again.

I hope we continue on with the approach os saying he is surplus to requirements and therefore doesn’t train with the first team

TheHoddleWaddle · Aug 19, 2022

Bulletspur said:
What disrespect? Wink would continue to command love and respect from us the fans, if he was to man up, put pride and ego aside and move on. People are just being real in their assessment of his situation. My view is if you no longer add to anything positive in making my club better, then you go, irrespective of who you are

That's a lot of guess work as to another persons motives.

Personally,I've more respect for someone who tries to fight for a place in the face of adversity. Or that is biding his time fir a better proposition. A matter of perspective I suppose.

But there'd a lot of unnecessary character bashing.

doctor stefan Freud · Aug 19, 2022

Trix said:
He's been here a long time though. I guess when he's been left out in the past he's only ever been a sacking away from his mate Mason being in charge and being back in the team, such was his competition in his role. As I've said he has a contract, and we have to honour that. As long as he's as far away from starting games as is physically possible I'm past caring.

He's been told the situation point blank, and so far he's choosing to hang around. It's his choice and as such i personally couldn't care less if he never plays football professionally again.

This exactly. He’s been told he’s not wanted, that looking elsewhere is in his and the club’s interest and yet he hangs around expecting something favourable out of habit. Even if you’re prepared to overlook his weasling to the press, his animosity towards Kane, his cosy relationship with Mason, it’s nigh on impossible to not realise how awful he is on the pitch

JUSTINSIGNAL · Aug 19, 2022

Bulletspur said:
What disrespect? Wink would continue to command love and respect from us the fans, if he was to man up, put pride and ego aside and move on. People are just being real in their assessment of his situation. My view is if you no longer add to anything positive in making my club better, then you go, irrespective of who you are

How do you know he won't move on? It might be that he's choosing to wait until the end of the window for a particular situation to unfold - maybe a club needs to move on someone else to be able to sign him. We just don't know. It's all just conjecture at this moment. It will be his prerogative to get the next move right as it could be the difference between his career petering out (ala Dele) or being able to play regular high level football. I really don't think this deserves so much personal abuse.

FibreOpticJesus · Aug 19, 2022

doctor stefan Freud said:
This exactly. He’s been told he’s not wanted, that looking elsewhere is in his and the club’s interest and yet he hangs around expecting something favourable out of habit. Even if you’re prepared to overlook his weasling to the press, his animosity towards Kane, his cosy relationship with Mason, it’s nigh on impossible to not realise how awful he is on the pitch

Not so much awful on the pitch. Just not good enough for the new Spurs

JCRD · Aug 19, 2022

Bulletspur said:
What disrespect? Wink would continue to command love and respect from us the fans, if he was to man up, put pride and ego aside and move on. People are just being real in their assessment of his situation. My view is if you no longer add to anything positive in making my club better, then you go, irrespective of who you are

He does want to move but only if the move is right for him - well within his rights to do that. In the same way a club can pretty much accept an offer from a club a player doesnt want to really move to. It works both ways. I want him gone he needs to go we all know that. It will happen but will be one of those that happens over the next 12 or so days and most likely Fulham.

I agree with the last sentence but we arent all the same and if there is a Valencia interested but he doesnt want to uproot and go then he wont go. I definitely would.

doctor stefan Freud · Aug 19, 2022

FibreOpticJesus said:
Not so much awful on the pitch. Just not good enough for the new Spurs

Not good enough for Spurs over the last few years. Non effective at best, but typically a liability

Joely · Aug 19, 2022

In the EPL, someone might bite for the right price but do wonder if a lot of teams look at him and think he is just too lightweight.

A lot of the time, the newly promoted teams will go in there and at least try and match up physically up against the more established teams and try and win individual physical battles wherever they can on the pitch. For me, Winks has never been capable of that and he isn't good enough in other aspects of his game where you try and somewhat build a team around him.

Obviously well within his rights to turn down a move if he doesn't fancy it but as things stand, he is on his way to the footballing scrapyard. Not had regular football for ages now and completely cast aside by Conte, at 26 years of age, you'd think he'd want to get out and start playing regularly.

Wouldn't be totally surprised if he has his eye on a club who have shown interest but won't cough up and been told to sit tight and that they'll try late on in the window with a lowball/loan offer of some sort.

philll · Aug 19, 2022

I saw him in the latest training video...

carmeldevil · Aug 19, 2022

philll said:
I saw him in the latest training video...

Fattening him up for the sale :sneaky:

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