Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

knowlespurs · Jan 2, 2023

I think we have to back Conte but don't think levy will, he will rehire poch for all the wrong reasons, he is controllable, wants the job, and levy can then have winks ndom and GLC back as three new signings to save spending
Only challenge will be poch and paratici working together, don't think they will so it will be poch and levy again

Flobadob · Jan 2, 2023

We’re getting the results and performances that the players we have turning out for us should be getting. When you have Dier, Davies, Hojbjerg, Emerson/Doherty, Sessegnon/Perisic type players that should be playing for clubs placed 15th-8th in the league and the other 4-5 (Kane, Son, Romero, Bentancur, Kulusevski) should be playing for top 4 clubs, you’re a bit silly if you expect a better outcome than 6th-8th place. Conte’s 100% right yet again and he sees what a lot of people on here can’t grasp and that’s that we have a squad with far too many players that aren’t good enough. We routinely start matches with 4-5 players in our 11 that either aren’t good enough or aren’t suited to play his system to a top 4 level. We have so many players that seriously have no business being anywhere near top 4 level starting 11. It’s at least half our squad!

Metalhead · Jan 2, 2023

ralphs bald spot said:
why would Levy sanction any money based on what he is churning out over the last few months 15 goals in seven league games conceded dumped out of a cup by Forest reserves and no sign of a side developing or playing to any pattern, devoid of ideas going forward continually exposed at the back- I think Conte needs to show us some assemblance of a side moving forward instead of regressing by the week - his bargaining chip as you put it has receded vastly over the last few months

Based on what I've read on here from people in the know, this would be more of a convenient get out for Daniel Levy.

YB123 · Jan 2, 2023

knowlespurs said:
I think we have to back Conte but don't think levy will, he will rehire poch for all the wrong reasons, he is controllable, wants the job, and levy can then have winks ndom and GLC back as three new signings to save spending
Only challenge will be poch and paratici working together, don't think they will so it will be poch and levy again

Yep. You know its coming.

Hopefully fans see through it and have enough. I think even the strongest of strange Levy backers are not falling for it much longer.

rossdapep · Jan 2, 2023

Joely said:
Yep read that and thought the same. Thought he'd be gone in the summer but think it will happen earlier now. Suspect both parties would be quite happy for it to end right now. Levy safe in the knowledge that no long winded search is required with Poch ready and waiting.

Levy shouldn't get a say in the next coach.

And if he forces Poch forward then that'll be FP on his way too

TEESSIDE1 · Jan 2, 2023

Fidget said:
There is no agreed upon set of plans with everyone involved in the club. There is no certainty of expectations. This is how the club is being run. Like a bloody farmyard on pills. This is what perpetuates crisis upon crisis and this is how ENIC likes things. It means no-one is to blame, no-one is at fault.

Yep.

Owners don’t back the manager
Player recruitment is pretty much square pegs in round holes
Manager is unstable and beyond rigid
Players aren’t suited to the managers tactics and are massively underperforming

From top to bottom, everything and one is at odds with each other. It’s a ‘perfect storm’ in terms of a ‘massive cluster fuck’. There needs to be a refresh from top to bottom, a complete restructure. In an ideal world the club needs new owners albeit there’s nothing to say they won’t be ENIC the Sequel. Levy, the board, Conte… they’re all set in their ‘ways’, they’re not going to change. The Lewis’ need to step in or move over and let a new owner take over.

rossdapep · Jan 2, 2023

Pretty clear to me that coaches hit a point under Levy where they realise they are not going to get what they need and have been duped.

You then start to get resigned statements from them or subtle comments that show they've had enough.

Trotter · Jan 2, 2023

Assume by ever you mean since “Since three points were awarded for a win”, because for example I think the 60/61 side that won 15 and drew the other of their first 16 games would have something to say about your “fact”
I can give you a proper fact though.
Yesterday was first time in our history we have conceding opening goal in 10 consecutive matches

Trix · Jan 2, 2023

Yiddo1982 said:
Well, someone needs to tell Levy then because the club prices are not indicative of a second tier experience.

Levy is a business man he will charge whatever he can get away with for his product same as every other business man.

felmani26 · Jan 2, 2023

rossdapep said:
Pretty clear to me that coaches hit a point under Levy where they realise they are not going to get what they need and have been duped.

You then start to get resigned statements from them or subtle comments that show they've had enough.

His demeanour, both on the touchline and in press conferences, has undoubtedly changed and you get the horrible sense he's progressed very much into self preservation mode and distancing himself from what appears to be the board changing the parameters and reneging on promises.

Fidget · Jan 2, 2023

TEESSIDE1 said:
Yep.

Owners don’t back the manager
Player recruitment is pretty much square pegs in round holes
Manager is unstable and beyond rigid
Players aren’t suited to the managers tactics and are massively underperforming

From top to bottom, everything and one is at odds with each other. It’s a ‘perfect storm’ in terms of a ‘massive cluster fuck’. There needs to be a refresh from top to bottom, a complete restructure. In an ideal world the club needs new owners albeit there’s nothing to say they won’t be ENIC the Sequel. Levy, the board, Conte… they’re all set in their ‘ways’, they’re not going to change. The Lewis’ need to step in or move over and let a new owner take over.

We’re all being played too. Truth is blatantly obvious and so easy to suss.
You are all correct in what you say. So we all fight each other too, more perpetuation of the way the club is run, at supporter level. Things need to change before the club’s fortunes do, in terms of winning trophies. It’s actually quite sad for us because our lives are difficult and your football team is one way of giving you some pleasure, some satisfaction. Maybe they can all get together and give us some hope, on a more permanent basis?
As things age they need to be replaced. One weak link is one too many. We need a strong group of players where there isn’t a single weak link. We all know how close we are to that lol.

-Afri-Coy- · Jan 2, 2023

ralphs bald spot said:
why would Levy sanction any money based on what he is churning out over the last few months 15 goals in seven league games conceded dumped out of a cup by Forest reserves and no sign of a side developing or playing to any pattern, devoid of ideas going forward continually exposed at the back- I think Conte needs to show us some assemblance of a side moving forward instead of regressing by the week - his bargaining chip as you put it has receded vastly over the last few months

You must really love our players to believe all of those problems fall solely at the feet of Conte.

Could you win the F1 championship with a Honda Civic?

fishhhandaricecake · Jan 2, 2023

Trix said:
Of course they would but then that's what kind of managers they are. Only an idiot would think that's what kind of a coach Conte was and expect him to do the same.

Levy says hi ??
It’s literally the same shit every time, Levy buys a lawnmower and expects it to water his plants, he then buys a watering can and expects it to hoover his house, as you’ve rightly pointed out, Conte is a certain type of manager, he brings in specific players into a specific system motivates them and turns them into winning machines then moves on, if we weren’t going to support that model for him then it’s yet again a compete waste of time hiring him.

The thing is if after Poch levy had actually completely stuck to his preferred model of buying younger players and developing them but gave time and control to a good project manager like a Howe or Potter etc we’d probably actually be enjoying the football and the development of the team and maybe moving towards winning something by now, instead he’s wasted years of our time and money again with Jose and Nuno and now Conte because he isn’t supporting them the way they need to be supported.

The funny thing is Levy’s model can work but it requires good player recruitment, it requires a project manager who wants to work with and develop young players and it requires most importantly the manager being given full control, as in if they want a player out the door we get that player out the door even if it’s at a bit of a loss, otherwise the conditions for success just aren’t ever there.

Sigh ?

Trix · Jan 2, 2023

Johnny J said:
He's been taking this line on his podcast for months. This is more explicit, but it's no surprise.

Let's not forget Aly was quite close to MP from a journo pov, I'm sure he'd be over the moon if he returned.

NEVILLEB · Jan 2, 2023

The hard truth is that if we sack Conte we are exactly in the same place we’ve always been.

Changing Managers hasn’t fixed anything.

Ghost Hardware · Jan 2, 2023

rossdapep said:
Levy shouldn't get a say in the next coach.

And if he forces Poch forward then that'll be FP on his way too

I’d honestly be a little nervous if Paratici chose as well. I agree with you and really hope we would go for Gallardo, I wanted him when we got Nuno. But realistically we all know if Conte goes it’s only going to be Poch.

As you say, it could very easily end with Conte and Paratici going.

rossdapep · Jan 2, 2023

felmani26 said:
His demeanour, both on the touchline and in press conferences, has undoubtedly changed and you get the horrible sense he's progressed very much into self preservation mode and distancing himself from what appears to be the board changing the parameters and reneging on promises.

yep

And if he's the same around the training facilities, the players will pick up on it, which then creates a great aura of uncertainty and probably dampens the mood.

It's one thing Levy doesn't seem to understand with football. Some decisions from the top can seep into the dressing room and it can alter the mood, where morale needs to be high, positive or a sense of togetherness.

I don't think the club appreciate that side of things.

Like Jose and Poch, stuff was just allowed to linger and the mood became either toxic or downbeaten.

felmani26 · Jan 2, 2023

rossdapep said:
yep

And if he's the same around the training facilities, the players will pick up on it, which then creates a great aura of uncertainty and probably dampens the mood.

It's one thing Levy doesn't seem to understand with football. Some decisions from the top can seep into the dressing room and it can alter the mood, where morale needs to be high, positive or a sense of togetherness.

I don't think the club appreciate that side of things.

Like Jose and Poch, stuff was just allowed to linger and the mood became either toxic or downbeaten.

A fish rots from the head down....

rossdapep · Jan 2, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
I’d honestly be a little nervous if Paratici chose as well. I agree with you and really hope we would go for Gallardo, I wanted him when we got Nuno. But realistically we all know if Conte goes it’s only going to be Poch.

As you say, it could very easily end with Conte and Paratici going.

I'd hope Paratici has been here long enough to understand what kind of coach Tottenham requires.

He will have constraints placed on him which is fine.

Coach needs to work well with young players
Coach needs to have a system that is on the front foot.
Coach needs to be accept he won't get a massive say in incomings.
Coach needs to be able to get club into CL.

Bizarre to think just 2 years ago that was Levy's message to us all yet he appointed Nuno and then Conte, 1 who doesn't play exciting football and the other who whilst it can be exciting, it's also not all out attacking football.

To be honest though, I feel drained writing this. Really wanted it to work out with Conte and this was Levy's final call for me.

ukdy · Jan 2, 2023

InOffMeLeftShin said:
I think there has been a real downturn since Ventroni passed.

Cause does not necessarily result in effect, and there are many variables as we know, World Cup, Injuries, etc..

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