Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte
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arunspurs
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If Arsenal beat us in NLD at Lane, watch the stands turn against Levy.
The only way, majority will voice their opinion in stadium, will be if Arsenal beat us and go on to take the title in May.
Arsenal do not have a better XI or squad than us. But what they do have is a manager for all his idiotic behaviours is being backed organically window after window. There is harmony in their camp with DoF to manager to players. For us, Levy gets in the way and nothing is seemless. Everything is adhoc in nature - so ofcourse , inspite of good players, we are all stuck in groundhog day.
The only way, majority will voice their opinion in stadium, will be if Arsenal beat us and go on to take the title in May.
Arsenal do not have a better XI or squad than us. But what they do have is a manager for all his idiotic behaviours is being backed organically window after window. There is harmony in their camp with DoF to manager to players. For us, Levy gets in the way and nothing is seemless. Everything is adhoc in nature - so ofcourse , inspite of good players, we are all stuck in groundhog day.
-Afri-Coy-
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He very clearly stated a few posts ago that he was basing everything he said on the last 6 months and not taking anything before that into account.
0-Tibsy-0
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I don't understand how this is a controversial or non-logical view...
You can believe that the board should commit even more to backing Conte and still see the logic in this point. It just seems obvious ?
KingKay
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They also have a manager willing to give their younger players a chance.
Spursfan1414
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And you think if we trigger that against Conte’s will, that’ll be successful will it?
He’s had enough backing to have us playing 1000x better than we are this season. That’s what you and the Conte defenders are apparently in complete denial about.
We can talk about the deeper problems at the club, none of that means Conte is the right person for us to back or that there aren’t serious concerns about his performance.
He’s had plenty of backing. I’m not asking to win the league right now,
I’m asking for us to not get played off the pitch by every bottom half team we encounter. The squad is not the problem there, Conte is.
-Afri-Coy-
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I would like to ask everyone to please read and process an entire post or even thread of posts from a specific user before you pick out one line of what they said and reply to it.
That is the definition of taking things out of context or cherry picking and it causes a ton of unnecessary arguments in here.
Make a concrete effort to reply to the entire message the other person has put across.
That is the definition of taking things out of context or cherry picking and it causes a ton of unnecessary arguments in here.
Make a concrete effort to reply to the entire message the other person has put across.
The Scarecrow
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Six months ago is highly relevant. Would you say Newcastle have a better squad than us? I wouldn't, even though they're way better than us at the moment.
For Arsenal, it's more of a toss up, but I'd argue that most of the players you mentioned would look as bad as our players if they were to play for us tonight.
My point is, you can't gauge the quality of a squad based on performances over a six month period. Arsenal are a well coached side and that makes them better than the sum of their individual parts. We're a poorly coached side, and that makes us worse than the sum of our individual parts.
And in this thread, that is used a stick to beat Levy and the owners with, and as an excuse for Conte. Which is why I'm very interested in hearing your thoughts from six months ago.
Based on the performances of us and Arsenal last season, most of us were confident that we had a better squad than Arsenal, and most of us would barely have any of their players in our XI. And that was absolutely fair. But today the tables have turned. How can that be down to the quality of the squads and not the quality of the coaching?
danielneeds
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Essentiallly they added three players last summer who made their starting XI better in Jesus, Zinchenko, and probably most importantly Saliba. We have yet to see an improvment from any of our signings, maybe Perisic arguably.
Their squad has balance, a mix of athleticism, physicality and creativity, whereas ours is off in many ways. I’ve always thought putting together a side a bit like one of those old-fashioned scales where you need to have the correct weight on both sides for it to give you a reading. A team needs a balance of attributes to soar.
PLTuck
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Never mind the forum, I'm divided in my own head about Spurs right now. The complete lack of accepting any repsonsibility from Conte for our current form has pissed me right off.
H-SF
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It is convenient. In the summer when I was saying our window was worse than Arsenal’s and no more than a 6/10 I was getting dogs abuse on here. Now the narrative is we haven’t backed Conte at all.
To the extent that Conte was originally promised? That doesnt appear to be the case. I'm sure ITK has alluded to the fact that;
Conte knows the budget and knows we cant compete with the likes of Chelsea, City financially etc
there is money available but how it is being spent is the issue (Levy moving the goal posts)
Levy reverting to type by micromanaging etc
Arsenal have the youngest team in the league, whereas only West Ham and Fulham have older than what we have (per fbref.com). It's 24,8 vs 28,4.
They got better because they got older, more experienced and more drilled.
It's part coaching part natural progress of footballer's abilities as they age.
There's of course a time when a player starts to decline. This where Liverpool, the 4th oldest squad is right now.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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I definitely agree with you to an extent. However, even when Conte comes out and says we’re going through a longer term building process we still get this wailing.
Fans just lose all perspective after a loss. As @spursfan77 says all this constant consumption of other fans opinions and divisive football content on social platforms means everyone feels they have to be in crisis mode. It’s made every fan fragile as fuck. The sad thing is you are now seeing it play out in stadiums with the consistent booing if its 0-0 at half time or even just losing marginally. I love football but this modern fan culture really makes me hate fellow fans.
neogenisis
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Which is happening as we speak anyway. If Levy isnt going to sort his shit out then he needs to cut Conte loose and get the next victim in. He backs him NOW and we move forward or he lets him go, there are not many other options.
So this core group of players who have won F all under 3-4 consecutive managers are not the problem? Conte is? Are you actually serious? I mean personally I don’t hold the players overly accountable because if you don’t bring in enough upgrades or even competition for places the minute form or fitness declines you’re done for. DL has been fantastic commercially for the club, but it’s obvious his recruitment on the football side of things has been terrible. If us as a fan base aren’t willing to except bumps in the road with a manager like conte at the helm then we deserve what we get.
dirtyh
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Just lol. The fact the win now culture exists is simply because that’s what every single one of our so called rivals do for success.
United, the scousers, city, the chavs and obv now Newcastle and the scum will spend whatever it takes for that success and in doing so they generate more revenue and become more attractive to top players. It’s an obvious cycle and one you only be part of by spending big and continuing to spend, even if you have a year or two without success.
if we ever want to win anything we jump on the same train or get left further behind, simple as that. I grew up on spurs playing attractive attacking football and that’s what won me over but by god I’d take absolute shithouse football if it meant us winning something. I’m so sick of everyone else having their turn again and again and again and us always being left in the fucking dirt because mr balance sheet hasn’t the balls to really go for it. I’ve already resigned myself to never seeing us win the league again before I die (am 51) and as selfish as that is, it’s a fucking disgrace that as a fan of a top 10 financial powerhouse I feel like that. We always joke it’s the hope that kills but it’s so true, levy and Enic have extinguished almost all the hope I have left. Football as we all know is rotten to the core and I’m really at the point of walking away from it as until levy and the board realise what this club is all about then it’s pointless.
apologies for the rant but to all those who moan about conte saying we need to raise our level to his, yes we fucking do. We’re so lucky to have him here and if levy fucks this up like he fucked up with poch, Jose and even redknapp then there’s no way back for him. I just can’t believe last seasons top 4 miracle finish wasn’t enough to push on. What the fuck does levy even think about from a football perspective? I’d love to know, I really would.
United, the scousers, city, the chavs and obv now Newcastle and the scum will spend whatever it takes for that success and in doing so they generate more revenue and become more attractive to top players. It’s an obvious cycle and one you only be part of by spending big and continuing to spend, even if you have a year or two without success.
if we ever want to win anything we jump on the same train or get left further behind, simple as that. I grew up on spurs playing attractive attacking football and that’s what won me over but by god I’d take absolute shithouse football if it meant us winning something. I’m so sick of everyone else having their turn again and again and again and us always being left in the fucking dirt because mr balance sheet hasn’t the balls to really go for it. I’ve already resigned myself to never seeing us win the league again before I die (am 51) and as selfish as that is, it’s a fucking disgrace that as a fan of a top 10 financial powerhouse I feel like that. We always joke it’s the hope that kills but it’s so true, levy and Enic have extinguished almost all the hope I have left. Football as we all know is rotten to the core and I’m really at the point of walking away from it as until levy and the board realise what this club is all about then it’s pointless.
apologies for the rant but to all those who moan about conte saying we need to raise our level to his, yes we fucking do. We’re so lucky to have him here and if levy fucks this up like he fucked up with poch, Jose and even redknapp then there’s no way back for him. I just can’t believe last seasons top 4 miracle finish wasn’t enough to push on. What the fuck does levy even think about from a football perspective? I’d love to know, I really would.
Rout-Ledge
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I think our summer window was broadly on par with Arsenal’s. We were closely matched last season and conventional logic would suggest we would be closely matched again this season. I suspected we would be a bit better than them again.
What has happened is very puzzling - Arsenal are performing much better than expected and we are performing much worse than expected. All this talk of a massive disparity in squads as an explanation for this turn of events is ridiculous - totally reactionary opinions stated as fact based on an unanticipated turn of events. Nobody predicted this.
PLTuck
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Of the 9 (?) players brought in while he has been coach, how many has he not wanted or signed off on?
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