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JayB

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Pandora’s box was opened when the FA, Uefa and Premier league happily allowed City to be financially doped.

Football’s gone.
Abramovich was the opening of Pandora’s box. The City farce was just a continuation of what had already been happening for 15+ years by that point.

It takes extraordinary competence for any club operating “the right way” to compete against the financial doping. Liverpool under FSG are the only club to manage it consistently in recent years.
 

For the love of Spurs

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For good or bad don’t think this will happen. Qatar will offer a sum for 10% of the club valuing the total club at £4bn and Levy/ENIC will want the equivalent of £7-8bn.
 

JayB

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Am I remembering correctly that ENIC held serious talks about selling a minority stake to a Singaporean billionaire roughly a year ago? They’ve been weighing up a move such as this for some time.
 

h2005

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Really hope this is nonsense. This season has been bad and ENIC need to go but not at the cost of bringing in them ****s.
 

GutBucket

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Don't want them but don't like Lewis either. Doubt we'll ever get a decent person, unless Dawson or Lamela become multi billionaires and buy the club.
 

Tucker

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Abramovich was the opening of Pandora’s box. The City farce was just a continuation of what had already been happening for 15+ years by that point.

It takes extraordinary competence for any club operating “the right way” to compete against the financial doping. Liverpool under FSG are the only club to manage it consistently in recent years.
Abramovich was just an individual with dirty money to squirrel away, disruptive yes, but not a bottomless pit.

The Sheikh who bought City (only 4 years after RA bought Chelsea btw not 15) did so with the sovereign wealth of his nation. That’s hugely different. City will never ever run out of money so long as they have the absolute ruler of a nation bankrolling them. Newcastle too now the Saudi’s are there.

These clubs aren’t being bankrolled by some distasteful rich guy. They are literally extensions of despotic regimes being used to launder their reputations and further their foreign policy aims. It’s soft political power and it’s a cancer that’s taking over the sport.

Truth is football is probably already dead. It’s probably been dead for a long time. But now there’s no way genuine clubs can compete. The Glazers and FSG can see the writing on the wall, they’re selling up while the stock is high. But in two or three years the premier league will be a two horse race between Newcastle and City. Sure the likes of United and Liverpool and maybe even Spurs will disrupt occasionally, but they’ll never sustain it in the face of unlimited budgets provided by countries and regimes desperate to cement their legitimacy.
 

Ghost Hardware

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Am I remembering correctly that ENIC held serious talks about selling a minority stake to a Singaporean billionaire roughly a year ago? They’ve been weighing up a move such as this for some time.
Yeah I think you’re right. We hosted the potential investor at a match I think and I believe he visited the training ground as well.
 

Yiddo100

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Hope they buy out Enic. I’d take their money in a heartbeat for us to seriously compete again. Maybe they could loan us Messi from psg! ?
I don’t think they’d be able to yet, they would have to sell psg first before becoming the majority share holder here
 

EastUpperDK82

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Abramovich was the opening of Pandora’s box. The City farce was just a continuation of what had already been happening for 15+ years by that point.

It takes extraordinary competence for any club operating “the right way” to compete against the financial doping. Liverpool under FSG are the only club to manage it consistently in recent years.
It's not only about money here... with Qatar, The Saudi's, China and so on... it's about human rights and politics...

I know football and politics shouldn't be compared. But it's inevitable here ... it's about what we stand for and believe in. Not only as fans... but as humans.
 

arunspurs

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Since we are talking about morality... Billionaires became billionaires because they compensated their morality to run their business.

ENIC owner, Joe Lewis all these years been tax exile in Bahamas. So have been other billionaires, compensated their morality in their own way.

Yes, human rights is different but human rights get trampled in other ways too.

I am not for or against QSI here....just saying, every Billionaire have their own demons. We are a football club trying to be relevant in top league. Levy is a businessman. If there is a deal to be done,it will be done.

And we will move on as fan supporting the new owners like every other club fans been-thats the reality
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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People say they dont want the Qatari's money but when the shiny top class players start rolling in all will be forgotten lol

There will definitely be some mental gymnastics trying to justify it.

Saying that, I’m not keen on this investment at all.
 

inclineyid

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Since we are talking about morality... Billionaires became billionaires because they compensated their morality to run their business.

ENIC owner, Joe Lewis all these years been tax exile in Bahamas. So have been other billionaires, compensated their morality in their own way.

Yes, human rights is different but human rights get trampled in other ways too.

I am not for or against QSI here....just saying, every Billionaire have their own demons. We are a football club trying to be relevant in top league. Levy is a businessman. If there is a deal to be done,it will be done.

And we will move on as fan supporting the new owners like every other club fans been-thats the reality

Do you mean compromised rather than compensated?
 

JayB

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Abramovich was just an individual with dirty money to squirrel away, disruptive yes, but not a bottomless pit.

The Sheikh who bought City (only 4 years after RA bought Chelsea btw not 15) did so with the sovereign wealth of his nation. That’s hugely different. City will never ever run out of money so long as they have the absolute ruler of a nation bankrolling them. Newcastle too now the Saudi’s are there.

These clubs aren’t being bankrolled by some distasteful rich guy. They are literally extensions of despotic regimes being used to launder their reputations and further their foreign policy aims. It’s soft political power and it’s a cancer that’s taking over the sport.

Truth is football is probably already dead. It’s probably been dead for a long time. But now there’s no way genuine clubs can compete. The Glazers and FSG can see the writing on the wall, they’re selling up while the stock is high. But in two or three years the premier league will be a two horse race between Newcastle and City. Sure the likes of United and Liverpool and maybe even Spurs will disrupt occasionally, but they’ll never sustain it in the face of unlimited budgets provided by countries and regimes desperate to cement their legitimacy.
Abramovich was an oligarch within a kleptocratic regime who expropriated interests in the mineral wealth of the Russian nation, and put them toward a football club as a means of laundering his image globally. It wasn’t as dissimilar from other oil clubs as you’re suggesting.

Regardless, my point is that what really killed the game was allowing clubs’ footballing operations to be financed not by their own revenues, but by outside sources. The financial doping is what makes these clubs nearly impossible to compete with, regardless of whether it’s coming from a kleptocrat or an autocrat.
 

joelstinton14

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Since we are talking about morality... Billionaires became billionaires because they compensated their morality to run their business.

ENIC owner, Joe Lewis all these years been tax exile in Bahamas. So have been other billionaires, compensated their morality in their own way.

Yes, human rights is different but human rights get trampled in other ways too.

I am not for or against QSI here....just saying, every Billionaire have their own demons. We are a football club trying to be relevant in top league. Levy is a businessman. If there is a deal to be done,it will be done.

And we will move on as fan supporting the new owners like every other club fans been-thats the reality
There’s a massive difference between placing your business in tax haven and executing 81 people on one day like Saudi Arabia did just last year.
 
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