Tottenham Takeover Talk

Don't think I can survive this fanbase any longer.

Trix said:

Sorry to break this to you mate but mobile phones are a convenience and quality of life enhancer. You 100% do not need a mobile phone or modern tech "to survive".

Now you've said this I want to be clear on this point I'm about to make. When the zombie apocalypse comes I think it would be in your best interests that you should give up and get turned early doors because sorry to be the one to tell you, but you ain't going to make it.

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Zombie Apocalypse happening?? Is this ITK?

Trix said:

I'm not going to spend my day arguing with people about what "Survive" means but it certainly doesn't mean having connection to the fucking Internet however cheap or expensive that might be

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You don’t need to argue anything

I’m just trying to give a different perspective

All day long. Show me the money.

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:

So disappointing. When you see the uproar over the world cup. But as soon as something may have a personal benefit to us how quickly people abandon their morals.

All the uproar at Newcastle and their new owners and how disgusted people were when Newcastle fans justified it and now you see, the reality is most of us are just the same.

Jump on our high horses when it's someone else getting an advantage, but as soon as it's us the views change.

There are more important things in life then money and winning a trophy.

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I think the issue is not so much who it happens too but rather that it happens at all. Ideally nobody here would be run by these owners because of how it impacts the transfer window. I think the backlash towards these other clubs is actually more about what it means competitively for us. So when we see a Newcastle taken over it causes panic because we can see them being another City or Chelsea and leaving us further behind. I actually don't think as big a fuss would be made if a company with a dodgy background ran a club without the mass injection in the transfer window. For example people wouldn't make such a huge deal about a shirt sponsor but as soon as a takeover is made and teams throw money at transfers the complaints flood in. If we had stricter rules on ffp and wage caps etc then it wouldn't be as big of a deal. That's not to say a lot of people aren't concerned about what goes on over that part of the world. Just that it wouldn't be talked about so much on a football forum/social media if it didn't ultimately mean team x buys better players than us. That's primarily what most anger is about because in all honesty I'm not sure a lot of people truly know what goes on in that part of the world. People hate Chelsea and City more because they bought their way to success and the owners shady background is the stick to beat them with.

Aleks said:

I think our definitions of "survive" are quite different. By survive, I mean compete and flourish in any relevant industry. A plumber needs a cellphone, a bricklayer needs a cellphone, a real estate agent needs a cellphone. Of course we can all go back to to the 80s where that didn't exist, but that's not what reality in the culture that we live in right now.

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That's an interesting line .

You could say the same about the football culture we live in.

Football sold its soul a long long time ago so why should Spurs be any different, heck are Spurs any different. It doesn't take much digging to find dirt on our owners and sponsors.

The line is different for everyone of course but if as individuals we can hold our nose to get on then why shouldn't a football club.

We could have all the money in the world and Levy would still haggle over monthly payments....

Aleks said:

Also, one of the major issues homeless people can't get jobs is due to not being "contactable" for job opportunities. Having a cellphone can be absolutely vital for them to survive.

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I think you're confusing mobile phones with an address.
Many homeless folk have a cheap pay as you go but their problem lies in not having an address, therefore not being able to claim benefits or get any help whatsoever.
You can't get a job without an address.

Spursfan1414 said:

Of course they're all shades of grey but if you're not going to draw the line here then when are you? They're an autocratic state, with very homophobic laws, modern day slavery and too many credible accusations of torture to count. They're about as bad as it gets.

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I think you're buying into the general media noise and not actually all that aware about the specifics of Qatar, you seem to perhaps be conflating them with KSA somewhat. Their laws are homophobic, but it was only in 2010 that gay marriage became legal in the UK, and right now in the US there is a serious risk that the legal status there could be removed. We're not as far ahead as you think we are on this one, despite clearly being ahead.

Modern day slavery exists everywhere, even in the UK and certainly in the products we use daily in the UK. It is possible to remove these products from our lives, more on this below.

Spursfan1414 said:

Give me an example of a job you can do in the UK that doesn't involve technology produced by people working in terrible conditions then? Because if it involves any sort of vehicle, computer, phone or other electronic device, it's not realistically possible. I don't know where you work but the vast majority of people do not get a say in what computers they have to work on, or who produces the self checkout machines at the supermarket they stack shelves for, or what company vehicle they need to drive. Those are decisions made by corporations, they'll just sack anyone who objects.

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There's a difference between doing a job where you have very little, if any, consumer choice on the products you use, and being a direct consumer yourself. For example Fairphone is a company that produces a perfectly usable and comparable to most iphones, this is an easy step to take to reduce your own contribution to child and slave labour, but I doubt very few, if any, posters on here use one.

Spursfan1414 said:

And fundamentally, the fact that I've been born into a world where it's almost impossible to make it through a day without using something that was produced unethically does not make me a hypocrite for not wanting something I love to be further polluted by it.

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This isn't true, but if it helps you sleep better then keep telling yourself this. It's perfectly possible to make it through a day without using something that was produced unethically, certainly when it comes to personal (non business) products. I didn't say it makes you a hypocrite but this is back to where do you draw a line. On the one hand your unhappy with a regime that uses modern slavery to build football stadiums but on the other hand you fully support (by spending money with them) a company that uses modern and child slavery to build mobile phones.

Spursfan1414 said:

It's not defeatist, it's realistic. This rhetoric has been around for literally decades and there's more than enough evidence that this doesn't happen. And what incentive are you even giving them to change with this approach? If you welcome them with open arms regardless then they can continue on as they always have. It's also very western-centric to assume that these places want to change to become more palatable to the West. They could just as easily choose to pivot to China who don't care about any of this and are investing crazy amounts in Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

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Point number 1 - Qatar us only 50 years old, so your comment about decades is wrong here. Both this and the following bits of here are starting to looking a little racist in terms of the viewpoint.

Spursfan1414 said:

They aren't buying football clubs to help them change, they're buying football clubs to clean up their reputation so they don't have to.

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Possibly (but very debatable), but if in doing so it does actually change them then that's still a positive right?

Spursfan1414 said:

On Russia, it absolutely is true. If there were a feasible way to get more LNG to Europe for this winter then it would've been done and energy prices wouldn't have tripled. The solutions needed to be implemented years ago to avoid the situation we were in following the Ukraine invasion.

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It's been feasible since Russia illegally invaded Crimea and yet everyone sat back and ignored it. Likewise when they assassinated their citizens on foreign soil, or state sponsored the interference in other countries elections.

Aleks said:

I think our definitions of "survive" are quite different. By survive, I mean compete and flourish in any relevant industry. A plumber needs a cellphone, a bricklayer needs a cellphone, a real estate agent needs a cellphone. Of course we can all go back to to the 80s where that didn't exist, but that's not what reality in the culture that we live in right now.

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I see where the confusion is, maybe his is misspelling Thrive Plumbers, Bricklayers and Real Estate Agents would thrive with a cellphone.

Very easy question. Yes, yes, yes - and yes again. We will become a force to be reckened with.

At the end of the day if reports are true, we know they want to invest in a PL team. It has been reported that Man Utd and Liverpool are not under consideration plus we know Man City, Newcastle, Arsenal & Chelsea are not going to be part of this. Therefore meaning if it isn't us, it'll be someone below us which would be bad for us depending on how they invest with that club. So why not suck it up and take it knowing that some way we are contributing or a part of Qatari money which is invested all over our country.

SpursJord said:

At the end of the day if reports are true, we know they want to invest in a PL team. It has been reported that Man Utd and Liverpool are not under consideration plus we know Man City, Newcastle, Arsenal & Chelsea are not going to be part of this. Therefore meaning if it isn't us, it'll be someone below us which would be bad for us depending on how they invest with that club. So why not suck it up and take it knowing that some way we are contributing or a part of Qatari money which is invested all over our country.

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Because we don't want the soul ripped out of our club? Because we don't want to be like Man City? Because we love our club and don't want it used for sports washing?

There are many reasons "why not".

Here’s an idea - Rather than getting more dirty investment into the Club why don’t you spend some of your 5 Billion $ on Tottenham from your own pocket, you old ****

You can’t take it with you!!

HodisGawd said:

Because we don't want the soul ripped out of our club? Because we don't want to be like Man City? Because we love our club and don't want it used for sports washing?

There are many reasons "why not".

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Instead we risk dropping behind other clubs willing to invest? I mean we can kind of be picky right given all the options we currently have to improve and invest to further enhance our current run of success. Like I said and I know A&C has pointed this out but at some point in our days, weeks or months we will contribute money towards something that Qatar have invested in. I just don't see how this personally 'Rips the soul out of our club' when it is a minority investment and on the outside looking in I imagine almost nothing will be noticeably changed or in anyway different. Levy will use the money in a way he seems fit to enhance the Tottenham Hotspur brand, even if it is ultimately to suit ENIC/Levys needs for future resale value or actual footballing growth. QSI likely want to invest mostly just to get a good return on investment also, they did it with Braga bought 23% and instantly they see a rise in valuation.

Hate it in one way but I want to see us win things before I die. Yes, it’s a sell out but to see us win things potentially is all too beautiful. ?

southlondonyiddo said:

Here’s an idea - Rather than getting more dirty investment into the Club why don’t you spend some of your 5 Billion $ on Tottenham from your own pocket, you old ****

You can’t take it with you!!

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They have spent plenty on the stadium and infrastructure. The main issue is we want them to spend now on football so we can succeed. Trouble is ENIC is more than just about Spurs. I think they suited us at a time where we needed stability and to build the infrastructure. Now our needs are to build on that with on field success. I don't think Lewis has as much interest in that. They're not likely to just bankroll our transfer window and take a hit. They will always invest because its what they do. Now feels like the right time for them to cash in on their investment and for us to move on with new owners who want to win titles. Aside from the Northumberland project and building around the new stadium I'm not sure there's anything left for ENIC at this club.

HodisGawd said:

Because we don't want the soul ripped out of our club? Because we don't want to be like Man City? Because we love our club and don't want it used for sports washing?

There are many reasons "why not".

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Can you not see that all of these things are incredibly subjective and that tolerance will differ based on personal perspectives?

As an example, I know a couple older fans who never went back to the Lane when ENIC took over because they felt the soul had been ripped out with us being owned by a “tax dodger who made his money betting against our own currency”

Different perspectives and everyone should be free to make their own choices as to whether they want to continue to support or disengage, if this investment were to happen.

An even playing field when the likes of Ipswich and Forest won the European Cup vanished decades ago .................. take the money even if its source us questionable

mil1lion said:

They have spent plenty on the stadium and infrastructure. The main issue is we want them to spend now on football so we can succeed. Trouble is ENIC is more than just about Spurs. I think they suited us at a time where we needed stability and to build the infrastructure. Now our needs are to build on that with on field success. I don't think Lewis has as much interest in that. They're not likely to just bankroll our transfer window and take a hit. They will always invest because its what they do. Now feels like the right time for them to cash in on their investment and for us to move on with new owners who want to win titles. Aside from the Northumberland project and building around the new stadium I'm not sure there's anything left for ENIC at this club.

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As far as I’m aware Big Joe hasn’t spent a penny, personally, on us - has made a fortune from us though!

5 BILLION ffs - Obscene