Tottenham Takeover Talk

Trix · Jan 20, 2023

septicsac said:
Despite all utds protestations against the glaziers, they have invested heavily in the team, just poor investment in the wrong players mostly.

The comparison to United is actually quite a good one imo. Both clubs have been buying players the board have wanted over the manager. United the next new shiny thing, us the best deal financially. Ten Hag has come in identified the problems and they've bought the players he's wanted and the transformation is clear to see. Where as we bought a championship player because Levy likes him and after a months haggling for him for a good fee with potential to sell for a lot more. People keep moaning about team selection and formation, but the point is had Conte of hot what he asked for we probably wouldn't be seeing it/them. Only Son is being picked when he shouldn't imo but I'll caveat that with I can understand why a coach would want to try and play him into form, especially when his natural replacement is just back from injury.

Bottom line ETH has been backed, where as we've done the minimum we could to keep Conte happy.

Dakes · Jan 20, 2023

Clockspur said:
He struggles selling players because he always over prices them - I shudder to think what he wants for what is essentially a personal asset

It'll be a staggering amount. And even if they close their eyes and are willing to pay that due to their very deep pockets, knowing Levy he will move the goalposts. No deal gets done without goalposts moving with him. Even if the Qataris are able to match the moved goalposts, I can imagine them easily getting frustrated at some point.

I think guys like the Qataris are people who like to get things done quickly, and therefore are willing to pay top dollar to expedite things. But with that urgency comes a lack of appetite for games like those Levy likes to play.

The **** just can't help himself to come out feeling the winner, even if the other side don't want to make it a battle, like I doubt the Qataris would.

chas vs dave · Jan 20, 2023

Clockspur said:
I’m supporting the club by getting rid of its single biggest stumbling block.

The league is meaningless for Spurs now anyway - personally I couldn’t care less about Europa league qualification and we’re in no danger of getting relegated. If the price of getting Levy out is making the place toxic and Spurs slumping to a 15th place finish this season then sign me up, I just want the leach gone

The league is meaningless? There are still 18 games to play. Seriously?

Levy does need to go, however he isnt a leech. He just can't kick us on.

Fans wanting us to fail seem to be another part of the problem.

Real_madyidd · Jan 20, 2023

chas vs dave said:
Fans wanting us to fail seem to be another part of the problem.

Has been for years. I would transfer half our fans if I could.

djhotspur · Jan 20, 2023

easley91 said:
It's actually happening isn't it?!

Trix said:
The comparison to United is actually quite a good one imo. Both clubs have been buying players the board have wanted over the manager. United the next new shiny thing, us the best deal financially. Ten Hag has come in identified the problems and they've bought the players he's wanted and the transformation is clear to see. Where as we bought a championship player because Levy likes him and after a months haggling for him for a good fee with potential to sell for a lot more. People keep moaning about team selection and formation, but the point is had Conte of hot what he asked for we probably wouldn't be seeing it/them. Only Son is being picked when he shouldn't imo but I'll caveat that with I can understand why a coach would want to try and play him into form, especially when his natural replacement is just back from injury.

Bottom line ETH has been backed, where as we've done the minimum we could to keep Conte happy.

Literally this. Imagine if we spent 220m on 3 players conte wants, then one cheaper option he wants?
It would be transformative for us and I just hope to god somethings no changes to get us back to challenging.

SpartanSpur · Jan 20, 2023

Players that are seemingly available at the right price this window that would instantly improve us:

RWB - Porro and Dumfries
AM - Zaniolo (Conte target)
LCB - Ndicka
CB - Skriniar
GK - Oblak and possibly Raya

That's ignoring all of the players with release clauses and 6-18 months left on deals.

Couldn't think of a better time for outside investment to bail us out, so naturally I'm totally pessimistic about any chance of it actually happening!

mattspur1986 · Jan 20, 2023

rossdapep said:
Back in 2017 we signed Sanchez and Foyth as the future hope they'd replace them one day.

In 2018 it became clear that Toby and Poch had an issue and that we may have neeeded to consider selling him.

in 2019 Poch was gone but it had become clear that Vertonghen was not the player he was and Toby whilst still doing ok was still not looking as 'safe' an option.

Foyth was clearly not going to improve under Poch and Jose didn't fancy him. We could also all see that Sanchez had glaring weaknesses.

Knowing all this, a serious club would have made it a priority position and considered selling someone to refund it.

Unfortunately the pandemic came, so ill cut the club slack on that.

Vertonghen and Toby left shortly after. But prior to that the club had a choice. Skriniar or Rodon.

Now consider everything in regards to this situation.
Vertonghen is going.
Toby will be gone soon.
Sanchez isnt improving
Foyth is not rated.
Dier ????

The club felt the right step was a fucking kid. Not a proven serious CB. A kid.

Since then weve added Romero. And Rodon obviously wasnt up to it.

One serious CB in 6 years.

To compound matters. Hugo's age hasnt been some revelation, people noted we needed to seek a replacement 3 years ago.

We didnt necessarily need to let him go but the club should have at least brought in a keeper that looked like a good replacement. Much like Juventus did with Sczezsny for Buffon.

Instead, they have had 4 FUCKING STRIKES.

All cheap or free options.

1. Gazzajigga - clearly was never going to be good enough.

2. Hart - Clearly passed it.

3. Gollini - Probably the cheapest get out card ever....and was useless.

4. Forster - I like him but hes not a Tottenham no1.

All that time, agent fees etc etc could have been saved with a smart investment in 2019 or so.

The utter neglect of this board and ownership has been a disgrace.

Instead Levy was out there chasing old flames (Bale) and coaches he wanted 15 years ago (Jose)

If that doesn't highlight how out of touch he is, I dont know what will dl

literally wish i could winner this more. stuill people defend him, people who do defend him please read this.

spursfan77 · Jan 20, 2023

jimbo said:
I think the strand of hope we have in this, and I'm not saying it's a great one, is that if he were to fuck this up it's not just a case of him missing out personally - it would also be a big missed opportunity for the rest of the board/Enic to realise a huge return on their investment to date - with no great sign that there will be better opportunities down the line as much of the potential growth has been realised. So, if he does somehow manage to make a mess of this that may well dent his popularity with those who protect him and keep him in post. It could be the beginning of the end for Levy's reign as Chairman either way.

We just have to see how it all shakes out, and it will take a frustratingly long amount of time given most of us are pretty desperate for something to change ASAP.

We don’t also know if he is the one actually doing the negotiating. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lewis’s trustees are heavily involved in it given their background and their recent appointments.

CerfBlanc · Jan 20, 2023

Almost two weeks ago the news about QSI broke. Since then pretty much nothing. Feels like the talks have broken down. Or have I missed something?

Ghost Hardware · Jan 20, 2023

Trix said:
The comparison to United is actually quite a good one imo. Both clubs have been buying players the board have wanted over the manager. United the next new shiny thing, us the best deal financially. Ten Hag has come in identified the problems and they've bought the players he's wanted and the transformation is clear to see. Where as we bought a championship player because Levy likes him and after a months haggling for him for a good fee with potential to sell for a lot more. People keep moaning about team selection and formation, but the point is had Conte of hot what he asked for we probably wouldn't be seeing it/them. Only Son is being picked when he shouldn't imo but I'll caveat that with I can understand why a coach would want to try and play him into form, especially when his natural replacement is just back from injury.

Bottom line ETH has been backed, where as we've done the minimum we could to keep Conte happy.

Add also i don't think Richy is that strong on the wing. He just doesn't have the skill set to be an effective WF, at least not one in our set up. He's very much a CF who can play on the wing when really necessary but its not ideal. Although against Fulham i'd probably still start him there because we have no other options.

Ghost Hardware · Jan 20, 2023

CerfBlanc said:
Almost two weeks ago the news about QSI broke. Since then pretty much nothing. Feels like the talks have broken down. Or have I missed something?

Its potentially a one billion pound deal, I would expect it take months to get done.

Gb160 · Jan 20, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
Its potentially a one billion pound deal, I would expect it take months to get done.

The hope is that its been 'in the pipeline' for a while, and what's being reported is the conclusion.

Danfunkel · Jan 20, 2023

CerfBlanc said:
Almost two weeks ago the news about QSI broke. Since then pretty much nothing. Feels like the talks have broken down. Or have I missed something?

I’d be more worried if it was louder.

spursfan77 · Jan 20, 2023

Dakes said:
It'll be a staggering amount. And even if they close their eyes and are willing to pay that due to their very deep pockets, knowing Levy he will move the goalposts. No deal gets done without goalposts moving with him. Even if the Qataris are able to match the moved goalposts, I can imagine them easily getting frustrated at some point.

I think guys like the Qataris are people who like to get things done quickly, and therefore are willing to pay top dollar to expedite things. But with that urgency comes a lack of appetite for games like those Levy likes to play.

The **** just can't help himself to come out feeling the winner, even if the other side don't want to make it a battle, like I doubt the Qataris would.

The fact that ENIC want to carry out any negotiations themselves underlines this. Chelsea, Man Utd have gone out there and got experts to do it for them. Not us, we think we know best, when really it should be handed over to people who do these deals every day.

mattspur1986 · Jan 20, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
It's new territory really, the level of discontent with Levy is at previously unheard of levels. But in the past, when there's been even the faintest whiff of rebellion, he's gone out and spent a few quid, done something 'popular' and it's taken the edge off it all. He buys time and people forget. He's reliant on complacency and fickleness.

This time we mustn't fall for it. His race is run, he's taken us as far as he can, as far as he's likely to and as far as he's willing to. Leave now while you still have the stadium as a legacy.

EDIT: What I forgot to say is that we, as fans, need to get right behind Conte and keep the pressure on Levy. That's the best way forward IMO.

this is it for me, if were playing poorly, save the boos and direct your anger at the wee man. although hed probably get them to pipe fake crowd noise in and drown it out,

SpartanSpur · Jan 20, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
Add also i don't think Richy is that strong on the wing. He just doesn't have the skill set to be an effective WF, at least not one in our set up. He's very much a CF who can play on the wing when really necessary but its not ideal. Although against Fulham i'd probably still start him there because we have no other options.

I get that but isn't part of the problem with Son that he's having to come inside and play with his back to goal which he is poor at (and can no longer hold a wide starting position)? Surely Richarlison has the better skillset for that whilst being a better presser and still capable of running in behind. Not to mention being a better target for Kulu/RWB crosses? I think he needs a chance over Son on Monday. Playing Son isn't working, benching may help.

Think of the role Dele was playing in the 3 man attack with Kane and Eriksen when Poch went 3-4-2-1, Richy seems a decent fit there to me. I don't think he's even had much of a chance in that position yet. Either seems to be RF or ST.

Albertbarich · Jan 20, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
Its potentially a one billion pound deal, I would expect it take months to get done.

Indeed or lots of leeks.

This is really really high level top secret stuff and it could take months.

leelee · Jan 20, 2023

Albertbarich said:
Indeed or lots of leeks.

This is really really high level top secret stuff and it could take months.

If I remember correctly, City sale to Abu Dhabi was basically concluded in January. From newspaper reports to sale to signing Robhino.. all occurred in the month of January.

Fairytale stuff, that is what we all need.

GutBucket · Jan 20, 2023

leelee said:
If I remember correctly, City sale to Abu Dhabi was basically concluded in January. From newspaper reports to sale to signing Robhino.. all occurred in the month of January.

Fairytale stuff, that is what we all need.

Would start Robinho over Son now too.

chas vs dave · Jan 20, 2023

leelee said:
If I remember correctly, City sale to Abu Dhabi was basically concluded in January. From newspaper reports to sale to signing Robhino.. all occurred in the month of January.

Fairytale stuff, that is what we all need.

They were sold for less than 100m.

A full sale is easier than a minority investment. Also, no one knows how long they were in talks for. All you are doing is assuming.

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