Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Timberwolf · Feb 27, 2023

H-SF said:
It's literally true though. We still aren't a great team and nothing has changed tactically all season. I can only say we have been more competitive for second balls recently, which is important. You all cry now but when we next lose everyone will talk about how we are bad again. The fact is that the performance level has been fairly consistent for a while, results will always vary. I was very happy with the win yesterday but I won't let that cloud objective analysis.

Leicester aside, I think we've looked much more coherent and committed as a team in the past run of games than we did in the first half of the season where the results rarely reflected our performance level. We probably earned 10 points from our set-piece coach alone before Christmas.

In the first half of the season it felt like our results were unsustainable, but now they feel earned. We're not playing very pretty football but I think we're improving gradually and it's not as bad as you're making out.

Trix · Feb 27, 2023

nico97531 said:
But most of the games we lost were due to player errors, it’s not the tactics that caused it, we are not looking great as our attackers aren’t clicking for what ever reason but we still scored a load of goals this season and to the fact that we have good players, we just beaten city and Chelsea who had much better players than us, if this isn’t an upturn of performance then I don’t know what is.

Indeed. We are the 3rd top scorers in the league only 6 goals behind the leaders and 5 more than United. It's the fact we've conceded so many that's the problem. If we cut out just half of the silly errors and schoolboy defending I think we'd be 7-9 points better off.

Gassin's finest · Feb 27, 2023

lincspurs said:
And bearing in mid both R’s were missing on the right (although can’t believe I’m saying Royal missing is a minus).

The hysteria I see around Royal is ridiculous. The bloke works his bollocks off every game.

newbie · Feb 27, 2023

Trix said:
No mate that's just a select group you are talking about, that whine and cry at every defeat regardless of the content of the game and circumstances involved. Some of us understand regardless of how good you are you won't win every game. Not that I'm saying we've been great but it's far from the doom and gloom some are making it out to be.

loosing is one thing i think its the way we have lost and the quality of the football,

I think we need to keep Conte personally and back him we are not going to get a better manager, Conte is an interesting character and you might find the club's support means more to him then spending big in the transfer windows

olithfc · Feb 27, 2023

Trix said:
Indeed. We are the 3rd top scorers in the league only 6 goals behind the leaders and 5 more than United. It's the fact we've conceded so many that's the problem. If we cut out just half of the silly errors and schoolboy defending I think we'd be 7-9 points better off.

Great. Also if we cut out errors we would have more trophies. But we haven't.

chas vs dave · Feb 27, 2023

Gassin's finest said:
The hysteria I see around Royal is ridiculous. The bloke works his bollocks off every game.

Which is why the treatment of him was nothing short of a disgrace. He always gives 100%. That's all you can ask

spursfan77 · Feb 27, 2023

Trix said:
He hasn't and he has looked a bit broken to me. I'm not surprised though considering his losing three friends this year and then his health issues. Was speaking to someone who works for the club yesterday at the game and he made a very good point. With us playing every few days he's not really had a chance to grieve and he's done that typical Alpha male thing of just throwing himself into his work to suppress his feelings. This time off might have been crucial for him for more than just health recovery reasons, and hopefully he comes back fully revitalised.

I wouldn't mind him signing a new contract, taking a sabbatical until preseason and going again next season. I wonder if this has been offered to him or whether we are beyond all that now.

spursfan77 · Feb 27, 2023

Gassin's finest said:
The hysteria I see around Royal is ridiculous. The bloke works his bollocks off every game.

It's the tactic of him tucking inside as the third midfielder that has made us better defensively. Since we did that against Man City we've been so much better. The only game we have lost in the league since doing this was when he didn't play. It's no coincidence.

It terms of moaning, the only people I see moaning are those moaning about people moaning. Where are the actual moaners? All very strange. :ROFLMAO:

jurgen11 · Feb 27, 2023

spursfan77 said:
It's the tactic of him tucking inside as the third midfielder that has made us better defensively. Since we did that against Man City we've been so much better. The only game we have lost in the league since doing this was when he didn't play. It's no coincidence.

It terms of moaning, the only people I see moaning are those moaning about people moaning. Where are the actual moaners? All very strange.

Contes tactic ?

Trix · Feb 27, 2023

olithfc said:
Great. Also if we cut out errors we would have more trophies. But we haven't.

Indeed. So is it a coincidence that the same players making those mistakes this season are on the whole the same players that have played in finals and semi finals we've lost over the last few years?

THE SPURSBOY · Feb 27, 2023

Trix said:
Indeed. So is it a coincidence that the same players making those mistakes this season are on the whole the same players that have played in finals and semi finals we've lost over the last few years?

and most of those players will prob still be here next season too many to upgrade still , looking at the teams at the start yesterday I was thinking only Kane and Romero would get in a mixed 11

Trix · Feb 27, 2023

THE SPURSBOY said:
and most of those players will prob still be here next season too many to upgrade still , looking at the teams at the start yesterday I was thinking only Kane and Romero would get in a mixed 11

Maybe that's because you looked at the team sheets with your Fifa specs on? I personally think we are only 3-4 players short from having a very good all round squad. Unfortunately they are pretty integral pieces.

spursfan77 · Feb 27, 2023

jurgen11 said:
Contes tactic ?

You would think so, but as I'm not sat in the team meetings I couldn't tell you for sure!

g_harry · Feb 27, 2023

bubble07 said:
Doubt ETH would have us in a better position this season and had us finish 4th last season. However I reckon we wouldn't be far off whilst playing attractive possession based football

Casemriro and Eriksen transformed them. There is zero chance we could have got those 2

Exactly in fairness Martinez, Casemiro & Eriksen transformed them. But can't look beyond what he has done with Dalot, Shaw, Rashford etc.

Sorry to say it but imagine if Poch had been backed.

olithfc · Feb 27, 2023

Trix said:
Indeed. So is it a coincidence that the same players making those mistakes this season are on the whole the same players that have played in finals and semi finals we've lost over the last few years?

Absolutely. Clearly they aren't good enough. But I don't see how it helps us to have a manager who isn't committed. To have this same drama at every transfer window. Conte has never given an indication this is a long term home - that must rub off on the players. Coupled with the miserable football we have watched for 6 months, no wonder it isn't a happy settled camp.

Trix · Feb 27, 2023

olithfc said:
Absolutely. Clearly they aren't good enough. But I don't see how it helps us to have a manager who isn't committed. To have this same drama at every transfer window. Conte has never given an indication this is a long term home - that must rub off on the players. Coupled with the miserable football we have watched for 6 months, no wonder it isn't a happy settled camp.

Well he has quite often and consistently said this is a long term project and things need to be done over multiple windows etc. As for it not being a happy settled camp how do you know this? You don't like the football. That's fine, because that's your opinion. What you are doing though is inventing scenario's to fit that narrative.

TOLBINY · Feb 27, 2023

chas vs dave said:
Which is why the treatment of him was nothing short of a disgrace. He always gives 100%. That's all you can ask

Should probably be in the Emerson Royal thread, but heh-ho, I think you are also entitled to ask for a wing back who can deliver a good cross (Robertson, TAA, R James etc) as it is an important part of the roll, you are as much an attacking threat as you are a defensive foundation. I have never criticised his defending or commitment, which is why I think he would be a good RB in a back four, just wish he could deliver more threatening crosses from time to time.

JimmyG2 · Feb 27, 2023

Stellini doesn't look like a soft touch
and we know that Conte is still firmly in charge
but perhaps he's not quite as in their face as Conte.
While the cat's away, the mice will play
(with just that bit of extra freedom).
Good results could just be coincidence, of course

Metalhead · Feb 27, 2023

olithfc said:
There are clearly positives and him grabbing 4th last season was genius particularly as this team is relatively poor on paper compared to what it was. He's a top manager.

But we still need a manager committed to the club, we requre a manager to play attractive football and if conte doesn't win anything this season it's a huge outlay (£15m) without trophies.

Conte rarely goes into 3 seasons with a club so do we really want to keep it going with his growing disillusion?

The attractive element is an argument that has been done to death but my point was merely that results like yesterday almost seem to annoy some people that want Conte out.

Bluto Blutarsky · Feb 27, 2023

olithfc said:
no wonder it isn't a happy settled camp.

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