Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

mil1lion · Mar 3, 2023

I really hope he comes back invigorated again. We really need a lift now, our form is so inconsistent. I hope he comes in fired up and gets us back on track. We just need to keep up this home form and get the away form back up again. We went on a good spell away but had a bad run at home. Now it's flipped and we're doing good at home but bad away. We just need to get it going home and away for the final run. If we can hit a run like we did this time last year we can finish on a high. Get top 4 again and maybe a cheeky attempt at the CL (nobody looks all that unbeatable this season).

I know we need changes in the summer but Conte or no Conte it would be great to build off another top 4 finish. Its not all doom and gloom just yet.

glacierSpurs · Mar 3, 2023

Thenewcat said:
After watching the Sheffield United game I’d add - ‘try and pass the ball to Kane’ as a group text and that would cover it.

I didn't watch the game live and I don't intend to know or watch or catch up anything related to that match. I really wanted that game to be phased out of existence and of my knowledge. Still can't fathom why we can lose that game. I have kinda gone past will Conte stay or leave, who's coming, when are we playing etc. All things don't matter anymore. So draining. It's been really a roller-coaster ride supporting this team these past 3 years.

bubble07 · Mar 3, 2023

I still think I'm conte in but I had no reaction to the news he isn't back this week which probably says my patience is waning

jolsnogross · Mar 3, 2023

Scot-Spur said:
My point is you stated it didn’t take long to get on board with Arteta! It took what 3 years?

You were spouting nonsense to prove a point. I never stated Conte is on the cusp of anything.

I think there is fundamental errors right through our club. They include the board, staff/manager and the playing staff. We need a fresh slate from top to bottom imo. Will it happen probably not.

It didnt take too long to get on board with Arteta because he won something within a year. Despite the aftv ranting, he was well on the way early on. And his style of play is very appealing.

spursfan77 · Mar 3, 2023

bubble07 said:
I still think I'm conte in but I had no reaction to the news he isn't back this week which probably says my patience is waning

I’m just bored by the constant circus around the club. It’s just non stop from one day to the next.

carpediem1906 · Mar 3, 2023

This thread

We win, against teams like City Chelsea, hack even Wet Spam, page count hardly budges

We lose, thread increases by 50 or more pages with pitch forks n arson and loads of angry townsfolk

Blaming the manager and demanding wholesale changes to management, as if it will lead immediate and mid term improvements

Can we have some blardy perspective?

We made 6 changes to line up. Before someone cries foul and said the manager picked the team so he’s at fault; do remember, as Stellini took pains to remind us, we have 4 matches in 10 days and will need to rotate, our players aren’t robots, and we need to keep up our league results n overcome a one goal deficit in champs league!

We have a high tendency to perform badly if some of our key players don’t play or some of our sub par non first xi plays

Someone said Conte didn’t improve our players but PEH n Bentacur have had their best output in their whole careers and season isn’t even over. Bentacur is / will be a huge miss.

The left wing is totally off form, Perisic and Son; is it down to system or individuals? I notice Son had a sudden explosion of commercial commitments post Golden Boot, this must take a toll on him. Perisic has played a lot of football for someone of his age and very energy sapping position. Playing Davies seem to work though so hopefully this gives Perisic time to get back to form.

Deki used to be our chief creator, and the tactical switch for Royal to get infield n under lap has improved Royal’s output but either opponent are sussing our Deki or he’s just not at peak form atm, which happens to all players. Need him back on form n into a purple patch asap.

How all of these is ignored / pinned on the coaching staff is just odd. Which just means that most of you here are now biased, and always looking for evidence to be right (a couple even had the ridiculous opinion that Conte not back in the dugout is because he doesn’t want to be blamed for Sheffield or he doesn’t care - what?!?!)

You can Conte out all you want guys but we know that that’s NOT the root of our problems.

I’m calling it first, we will beat Wolves n Milan n Saints n Everton for a 4 game winning streak. And still this thread will find bones to pick on. (Worse if we even dare to drop points in this run of matches)

TLDR; be fair n circumspect n have a bit of perspective, tamper your expectations of how good the football is going to be for now, and we can all be happier and heck, maybe even enjoy the wins that is coming our way

Thenewcat · Mar 3, 2023

carpediem1906 said:
This thread

We win, against teams like City Chelsea, hack even Wet Spam, page count hardly budges

We lose, thread increases by 50 or more pages with pitch forks n arson and loads of angry townsfolk

Blaming the manager and demanding wholesale changes to management, as if it will lead immediate and mid term improvements

Can we have some blardy perspective?

We made 6 changes to line up. Before someone cries foul and said the manager picked the team so he’s at fault; do remember, as Stellini took pains to remind us, we have 4 matches in 10 days and will need to rotate, our players aren’t robots, and we need to keep up our league results n overcome a one goal deficit in champs league!

We have a high tendency to perform badly if some of our key players don’t play or some of our sub par non first xi plays

Someone said Conte didn’t improve our players but PEH n Bentacur have had their best output in their whole careers and season isn’t even over. Bentacur is / will be a huge miss.

The left wing is totally off form, Perisic and Son; is it down to system or individuals? I notice Son had a sudden explosion of commercial commitments post Golden Boot, this must take a toll on him. Perisic has played a lot of football for someone of his age and very energy sapping position. Playing Davies seem to work though so hopefully this gives Perisic time to get back to form.

Deki used to be our chief creator, and the tactical switch for Royal to get infield n under lap has improved Royal’s output but either opponent are sussing our Deki or he’s just not at peak form atm, which happens to all players. Need him back on form n into a purple patch asap.

How all of these is ignored / pinned on the coaching staff is just odd. Which just means that most of you here are now biased, and always looking for evidence to be right (a couple even had the ridiculous opinion that Conte not back in the dugout is because he doesn’t want to be blamed for Sheffield or he doesn’t care - what?!?!)

You can Conte out all you want guys but we know that that’s NOT the root of our problems.

I’m calling it first, we will beat Wolves n Milan n Saints n Everton for a 4 game winning streak. And still this thread will find bones to pick on. (Worse if we even dare to drop points in this run of matches)

TLDR; be fair n circumspect n have a bit of perspective, tamper your expectations of how good the football is going to be for now, and we can all be happier and heck, maybe even enjoy the wins that is coming our way

So to conclude, management is in no way responsible for poor performances? Good to know. Wednesday was utterly woeful. It’s understandable people are venting

RuskyM · Mar 3, 2023

I think the VFTL lads were onto something: a major issue fans have is a feeling of the club's priorities being wrong. If we go out to Milan next week, then the season's done, bar a few games trying to get back into the competition that we lost the first knockout game of. So it'll be a few months of attempting to get back into a competition that our manager probably won't see when we could've had a genuine chance of silverware - or at least a trip to Wembley without playing a top division side. I guess it's a good problem to have but it's not really exciting.

A Bit Much · Mar 3, 2023

Thenewcat said:
So to conclude, management is in no way responsible for poor performances? Good to know. Wednesday was utterly woeful. It’s understandable people are venting

If getting knocked out of the fa cup by a championship team whilst playing dreadfully isn't worth ridicule for basically everyone at the club then I don't know what is. Not least because the same thing happened last season!

Ray Ray · Mar 3, 2023

Wheeler Dealer said:
But in his defence, he has always tried to play football through the rough times. The turgid shite served up to us for the last 3-4 years has been excruciatingly painful.

Arsenal fans wanted arteta out as the football was poor at times. It's only when they got the right players the clicked (sound familiar). They couldn't play out from the back with holding, Cedric, tavares etc and looked poor a lot of the time.

I get that out football hasn't been breathtaking this year, but we need to be realistic that a lot of players we have just aren't good enough.

Artetas team only works with ramsdale, saliba, white, Gabriel etc as it lets them have confidence that they can push further forward and not get punished.

We need to start prioritising that as any manager we have/get will still end up with the same issues.

Tezza1978 · Mar 3, 2023

Ray Ray said:
We need to start prioritising that as any manager we have/get will still end up with the same issues.

Is a key point. Without upgrading the center backs (LWB will be fine with Udogie I feel) things will NOT improve beyond a short term new manager bounce- whoever is placed in charge if Conte leaves.

RELISYS · Mar 3, 2023

The likes of Mourinho and Conte like to Drill their players over and over again until they perfect certain actions and movements until it becomes automatic to them and they do it without thinking. Conte is an extremist and he like to Micromanage everything the player does on the pitch.

Our players often make mistakes on the pitch, we put it down to them not being good but it could also be down to the training methods of the Coaches.

People might be interested in this article:

Understanding Automatic Processing: What Exactly Is It? | Course Method

Automatic processing is a lot like muscle memory and is used in knowledge retention and recall along with controlled processes.

coursemethod.com

Especially this part:

Are There Any Cons to Automatic Processing?
Automatic processing results in people acting without thinking. They let their self-conscious takeover, and this can pose a threat to the efficacy of the outcomes of certain tasks. In turn, the probability of mistakes and errors rises. Most people revert to the most common and familiar solution to any problem. This can limit their ability to explore newer and better options.

These habits can be so habitual that you might not even remember doing them. This state of thinking is frequently manifested when you are doing daily chores or actions. For example, it is habitual nature for you to lock your car as a way of automatic processing, but in the case of being absent-minded, you will feel the need to double-check your action to confirm it.

This example shows how the automaticity of actions can lead to a lack of awareness, leading to behavioral repetition and a waste of time.

I remember when we kept conceding late Goals under AVB and then he found a solution to it according to William Gallas:

“We have increased the complexity of the tasks the players have been doing at the end of training. The more complex the exercise, the more concentration they need at the end. ”

Maybe the players that frequently make mistakes need more mental stimulation rather then being turned into Automatons. With the way Mourinho and Conte like to train their players it not really a surprise they have a short shelf life.

The best football player adapts as they get older and change their game to suit the situation. Maybe Managers/Coach need to start doing the same. Change their training methods frequently. To keep mental stimulation at it's highest and keep them thinking.

0-Tibsy-0 · Mar 3, 2023

I’m not happy with Conte. That doesn’t mean I want him gone necessarily.

One of the first things that started driving negative feelings, aside from the absolutely shit football, was his apparent non comital and almost disdain for the club.

why couldn’t he come out with a simple line like this;

Thenewcat · Mar 3, 2023

0-Tibsy-0 said:
I’m not happy with Conte. That doesn’t mean I want him gone necessarily.

One of the first things that started driving negative feelings, aside from the absolutely shit football, was his apparent non comital and almost disdain for the club.

why couldn’t he come out with a simple line like this;

Honestly I don’t know what difference a meaningless platitude would make. Steve cooper saying that doesn’t change the fact he’d be gone before you could say loyalty if we sacked Conte and offered him the job tomorrow. Conte hasn’t shown disdain for the club, he just hasn’t talked shite for the sake of it

allatsea · Mar 4, 2023

Thenewcat said:
So to conclude, management is in no way responsible for poor performances? Good to know. Wednesday was utterly woeful. It’s understandable people are venting

We've beaten the spammers, Man City and Chelsea very recently who is to blame for that ?

easley91 · Mar 4, 2023

JCRD said:
They didnt buy everyone he wanted - he didnt sulk. They didnt get De jong.

Unreserved backing? you think he wanted Weghorst on loan instead of someone else? he just problem solved and content with what he had until say the summer.

Instilling a good feeling is about playing the right way on the pitch not being cowardice. Instil a good feeling by puting out your best team to progress Imagine if we had won yesterday - next round FA Cup, Wolves coming up, last 16 with Milan - all roses because we would know we are going out there to win and win with intent.

Is that not what we did with Lenglet and Danjuma?

easley91 · Mar 4, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
Obviously it would be very easy to read into this. I'd think most likely his doctor has recommended that he not return yet because he isn't fully recovered yet. Im sure it will get blown out of proportion tho. If he's not ready to return because he's not physically up to it yet then fair enough really. timing sucks but its not his choice.

Spurs fans reacting angrily unnecessarily over something pretty simple to understand? Colour me shocked.

easley91 · Mar 4, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
I don't disagree but when have the club ever done the easy thing. The clubs communication has always been absolutely shocking.

Trust me with this fanbase, it doesn't matter how or what they communicate as they'll make it more negative than it needs to be.

easley91 · Mar 4, 2023

0-Tibsy-0 said:
I’m not happy with Conte. That doesn’t mean I want him gone necessarily.

One of the first things that started driving negative feelings, aside from the absolutely shit football, was his apparent non comital and almost disdain for the club.

why couldn’t he come out with a simple line like this;

So was his returning early from surgery not enough for you? That showed me that he is committed for this season and honestly? That's all I need to know. Actions speak louder than words.

Thenewcat · Mar 4, 2023

allatsea said:
We've beaten the spammers, Man City and Chelsea very recently who is to blame for that ?

I’m unclear what your argument is. Are you saying unless we lose every game we can’t discuss the manager? Our form overall this season has been average at best, and we just got knocked out of a very winnable competition by a championship reserve team. City was of course a great result but I don’t know why you’re quite so impressed with beating chelsea and West Ham at home, and picking those 3 games conveniently ignores the fact that we got absolutely destroyed at Leicester in between. You previous post said that we can’t expect to beat a championship team who made 8 changes if we made 6 and that player form is nothing to do with the manager. What do you think his job is?

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