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E17yid

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E.G. - Mr Kane has been building up a portfolio of investment properties in recent years for the family fortunes.
Its insane. Even if you’re at a club like Norwich you can own dozens of properties that make you a load of cash that you can always sell for a shed load when you retire as well. Sponsorship money on top. It’s pretty easy to make money when you have tens of millions. Even more so when you’re on Harry Kane money. This idea you need Saudi money to do it is mad.
 

Albertbarich

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i don't remember that the chinese league back then attracted as many stars as the saudi league now. i mean they are not just signing old stars. they are getting the young ones, too. this is crazy. really money talks.
I used to really judge those who went but if I'm honest if they offered me that sort of wealth where I could likely even set my great great great grandkids up for life I'd take it too

Those going to Newcastle annoy me more as they still try and pretend by taking the knee and all that whilst knowing who their employees are.

At least this lot are pissing off and being upfront about wanting the money.
 

StanSpur

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Until they pack it in when they get what they are after, which is to host a World Cup. I imagine Saudi leadership is still smarting over Qatar hosting the first World Cup in the Middle East.
I wouldn't be so sure. I think having a genuine top three league in world football would be the long term goal as it continues to push down conversation of the morality of the regimes. Frankly football is the perfect vehicle for hiding anti-equality views as can be seen by the football "fans" support of players like Greenwood in the past week. There are large numbers of fans across the globe who dont care about womens rights or gay rights and only care about seeing a rabona and an overhead kick as a priority, this plays into the leagues hands and it can build a sustainable following like a harlem globetrotters league of football that rivals the prem in certain countries and even continents that dont hold more progressive values. Saudi is changing, it has moved forwards over the past 10 years but with a long way to go in both its laws and its move towards green energy production football can be a good vehicle for the next 10-20 years to act as a smokescreen.
 

E17yid

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I used to really judge those who went but if I'm honest if they offered me that sort of wealth where I could likely even set my great great great grandkids up for life I'd take it too

Those going to Newcastle annoy me more as they still try and pretend by taking the knee and all that whilst knowing who their employees are.

At least this lot are pissing off and being upfront about wanting the money.
Is that you accepting that money on your current wages coz if so that’s not really the question. The scenario should be if you’re already a multi millionaire on a contract that will earn you many more millions and on top of that offering you better sponsorship deals and better job satisfaction and progression would you take an extra few million per year to live in a place You had no desire to live in to work a job you had little enthusiasm for that wouldn’t offer you the progression you would of got at your previous job. I can see why people would but if you’re already a multi millionaire moving for more money (even double your money) is just greed.
 

Albertbarich

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Is that you accepting that money on your current wages coz if so that’s not really the question. The scenario should be if you’re already a multi millionaire on a contract that will earn you many more millions and on top of that offering you better sponsorship deals and better job satisfaction and progression would you take an extra few million per year to live in a place You had no desire to live in to work a job you had little enthusiasm for that wouldn’t offer you the progression you would of got at your previous job. I can see why people would but if you’re already a multi millionaire moving for more money (even double your money) is just greed.
I think we underestimate some of this people's backgrounds.

I don't know the player in question at all but I see the way footballers waste money and humans generally live to their means , not everyone is smart enough to save, that sort of thinking generally comes as you get older so do I believe that they burn through the money so it likely won't last another 10 years after they retire? Yep .Do I also think they have huge extended families a lot of them will be expected to support? Yep. So when someone offers to quadruple their salary I can absolutely see them prioritising money over sporting success

And as for morals well don't Spain play their version of the community shield in Saudi Arabia? You see Chelsea, Newcastle , PSG, the world cup in Qatar etc etc , do you really think the average footballer or even human in that position is going to draw the line at living their for a few years when be sees it run through the veins of European football?

I'm not saying I agree or like it but look at how corrupt the whole sport is , it's gone.
 

KirstyG

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The Saudi league will grow. They are appealing to the young internet fans who support individual players, base all their views on YouTube highlight packages, and argue about the ability of a player based purely on stats.

All the players the Saudi league are recruiting are players that are loved on football twitter etc… it will be a football league for the new age football fan.
Urgh fan boys and girls are the worst.
 

chas vs dave

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Saudi is changing, it has moved forwards over the past 10 years.
That's a load of twaddle. They broke the record for the most executions in 2022.

"In 2022, the kingdom executed 196 people, the highest number of annual executions that Amnesty International has recorded in the country in the last 30 years. This number is three times higher than the number of executions carried out in 2021 and at least seven times higher than 2020."

 

Wick3d

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I wouldn't be so sure. I think having a genuine top three league in world football would be the long term goal as it continues to push down conversation of the morality of the regimes. Frankly football is the perfect vehicle for hiding anti-equality views as can be seen by the football "fans" support of players like Greenwood in the past week. There are large numbers of fans across the globe who dont care about womens rights or gay rights and only care about seeing a rabona and an overhead kick as a priority, this plays into the leagues hands and it can build a sustainable following like a harlem globetrotters league of football that rivals the prem in certain countries and even continents that dont hold more progressive values. Saudi is changing, it has moved forwards over the past 10 years but with a long way to go in both its laws and its move towards green energy production football can be a good vehicle for the next 10-20 years to act as a smokescreen.
I think the climate alone will prevent Saudi from developing a top league personally.
 

Kirito

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For those that don’t know, Saudis believe in Wahhabism, its the literal take on their religion, similar to Christians following the Old Testament. So nothing will change, it’ll likely only get worse and these footballers and people going to live over there are probably going to regret it. Like going back to medieval laws.
 

E17yid

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I think we underestimate some of this people's backgrounds.

I don't know the player in question at all but I see the way footballers waste money and humans generally live to their means , not everyone is smart enough to save, that sort of thinking generally comes as you get older so do I believe that they burn through the money so it likely won't last another 10 years after they retire? Yep .Do I also think they have huge extended families a lot of them will be expected to support? Yep. So when someone offers to quadruple their salary I can absolutely see them prioritising money over sporting success

And as for morals well don't Spain play their version of the community shield in Saudi Arabia? You see Chelsea, Newcastle , PSG, the world cup in Qatar etc etc , do you really think the average footballer or even human in that position is going to draw the line at living their for a few years when be sees it run through the veins of European football?

I'm not saying I agree or like it but look at how corrupt the whole sport is , it's gone.
If you’re broke in retirement after a decade or so of being a premier league footballer (or top flight really) then I don’t really think the extra £10-£20 million will make much difference. You’ve probably got some Meth and gambling addiction problem or some shit and you’ll probably be dead by the time you’re 40.

Morally I’m not not arguing. I can 100% see why people would do it. They’re doing it for more money. That’s absolutely fine if that’s what you want to prioritise but let’s not pretend that you can’t sort your family out on a premier league footballers salary.
 

Wick3d

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For those that don’t know, Saudis believe in Wahhabism, its the literal take on their religion, similar to Christians following the Old Testament. So nothing will change, it’ll likely only get worse and these footballers and people going to live over there are probably going to regret it. Like going back to medieval laws.
It's crucial to distinguish between the government, its interpretation of religion, and the lived experience of individuals—whether they are locals or foreigners. While it's true that Wahhabism influences Saudi Arabian laws and norms, it's a bit reductionist to assume that everyone in the country, including the ruling class, strictly adheres to it. Evidence suggests that ruling class members often separate their public persona from their private behaviour.

Foreign footballers who move to Saudi Arabia are often isolated from many of the cultural and legal restrictions you mention. They typically live in compounds designed for foreigners, with a lifestyle that's far removed from the day-to-day life of an average Saudi citizen. These players can also travel freely within the region, mitigating some of the cultural and social constraints you're concerned about.

However, I share your concerns about the ethical implications of working in a country with a human rights record that many find troubling. While the decision is complex and nuanced for the individual player, it's legitimate to scrutinise the bigger picture of what their move might mean in a cultural or ethical context.
 

chas vs dave

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For those that don’t know, Saudis believe in Wahhabism, its the literal take on their religion, similar to Christians following the Old Testament. So nothing will change, it’ll likely only get worse and these footballers and people going to live over there are probably going to regret it. Like going back to medieval laws.
You get more people believing that they are changing and improving, purely because they buy players. The reality demonstrates the opposite

A great example of how sports washing works.
 

Albertbarich

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If you’re broke in retirement after a decade or so of being a premier league footballer (or top flight really) then I don’t really think the extra £10-£20 million will make much difference. You’ve probably got some Meth and gambling addiction problem or some shit and you’ll probably be dead by the time you’re 40.

Morally I’m not not arguing. I can 100% see why people would do it. They’re doing it for more money. That’s absolutely fine if that’s what you want to prioritise but let’s not pretend that you can’t sort your family out on a premier league footballers salary.
The extra money probably won't help as they will just spend and give away more but they won't look at it that way.
 

mil1lion

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Apparantly their forums are shit and they are looking for someone to do one liner joke posts. Willing to pay big bucks for someine with the misanthropic dry outlook only someone who has supported spurs for 35 years can bring. I'm waiting for the call £££
They could be the first forum that pays the members a donation. Their A&C equivalent will post a donation drive asking members to come in and claim their money. This site relies on your collections. Please come and post your love for Al Ahli like a true fan. We have no history so please bring some with you. It's like this site but people are moaning they're spending too much and getting deals done too quickly. Why did we spend this much on Veiga and not haggle? Khalid out!
 

Kirito

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The player is deciding to join the Saudi League, there is going to be some crossover in threads, give it a rest.
 

HildoSpur

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Getting paid £6m-£10 million per year over a decade or so isn’t generational wealth? It’s greed nothing more. That’s fine I suppose but if some player said what you said I’d laugh in their face. If you think £100k PER WEEK isn’t enough to sort you, your kids and your kids kids out for life then you’re pretty shit with money. You don’t need Saudi money for that.
It's a massive difference mate. They also pay no personal tax there. He will earn close to what he would have earned in his entire career in Europe in about 3 years (roughly - possibly less). If he then stays there for 5-10 years then he will be leaving with potentially 50- 100 million on top of that.
 
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