What Our Opponents' Fans Are Saying About Us 23/24

IfiHadTheWings · Dec 14, 2023

spurs mental said:
Some of them have a very heightened opinion of their club

Those European cups back when Jesus was a boy (i know i sound like a prick) will do that for ya.

I know a lot of our clubs best work was done back then but i find it cringy when clubs who have spent the past 3 decades yo-yoing down the leagues sing about winning a competition 40 years ago.

all that Champions of Europe you'll never sing that from Forest/Villa fans do nothing for me.

First non-league club to win an FA CUP you'll never sing thatttt! :cautious:

mil1lion · Dec 14, 2023

Always feel like we should reply with "Champions League music you'll never hear that" to some of those chants. It was so long ago and Champions League is totally different level now, the likes of Villa and Forest haven't even been in it. Then you get these West Ham fans chanting about Champions of Europe which would mean we could actually sing that with our UEFA Cup or cup winners Cup. I guess every club just thinks up ways to brag about their own club without necessarily any logic.

TheChosenOne · Dec 14, 2023

To win the European Cup back in the eighties it was a total of 9 matches. 4x2 legged then a one off final.

To win our ECWC in 1963 it was 7 matches - 3x2 legged and a final.

It's a lot harder in the present format (which will change next year)

Col_M · Dec 14, 2023

IfiHadTheWings said:
Those European cups back when Jesus was a boy (i know i sound like a prick) will do that for ya.

I know a lot of our clubs best work was done back then but i find it cringy when clubs who have spent the past 3 decades yo-yoing down the leagues sing about winning a competition 40 years ago.

all that Champions of Europe you'll never sing that from Forest/Villa fans do nothing for me.

First non-league club to win an FA CUP you'll never sing thatttt!

To be fair, I think you are underplaying Brian Clough's contribution here,

Timbo Tottenham · Dec 14, 2023

TheChosenOne said:
To win the European Cup back in the eighties it was a total of 9 matches. 4x2 legged then a one off final.

To win our ECWC in 1963 it was 7 matches - 3x2 legged and a final.

It's a lot harder in the present format (which will change next year)

CAn't remember of the top of my head, but didn't we have an incredibly easy run to our European win, including a bye in one of the rounds.

TheChosenOne · Dec 14, 2023

timboyid said:
CAn't remember of the top of my head, but didn't we have an incredibly easy run to our European win, including a bye in one of the rounds.

Thenewcat · Dec 14, 2023

spurs mental said:
Some of them have a very heightened opinion of their club

In common with us and every other team ever

Thenewcat · Dec 14, 2023

mil1lion said:
Always feel like we should reply with "Champions League music you'll never hear that" to some of those chants. It was so long ago and Champions League is totally different level now, the likes of Villa and Forest haven't even been in it. Then you get these West Ham fans chanting about Champions of Europe which would mean we could actually sing that with our UEFA Cup or cup winners Cup. I guess every club just thinks up ways to brag about their own club without necessarily any logic.

West Ham’s trophy is absolutely not the equivalent of our UEFA or Cup Winner’s cups. It’s a 3rd tier trophy you can only be in if you fail to qualify for 2 others so it’s only historic equivalent was the intertoto, albeit clubs take this a bit more seriously.

The Cup Winners Cup was variable in quality - it could have teams who came second in tough leagues or lower decision teams - but the uefa was harder to win then the European cup most years because you were guaranteed to have multiple high finishing teams from the strongest leagues in it.

Trent Crimm · Dec 14, 2023

spurs mental said:
Some of them have a very heightened opinion of their club

Think they sound fairly well balanced to be honest.

mil1lion · Dec 14, 2023

Thenewcat said:
West Ham’s trophy is absolutely not the equivalent of our UEFA or Cup Winner’s cups. It’s a 3rd tier trophy you can only be in if you fail to qualify for 2 others so it’s only historic equivalent was the intertoto, albeit clubs take this a bit more seriously.

The Cup Winners Cup was variable in quality - it could have teams who came second in tough leagues or lower decision teams - but the uefa was harder to win then the European cup most years because you were guaranteed to have multiple high finishing teams from the strongest leagues in it.

I didn't say it was the equivalent. I was saying that if we used their logic we could claim we were champions of Europe too due to our other European success. So in that case when teams say "champions of Europe you'll never song that" by West Ham logic we could sing that by using the tag for any old European title.

MiakSarawak · Dec 14, 2023

Legacy said:
Believe me, Villa fans have always been this deluded. They won a bunch a bunch trophies in the 1800s so they're still an absolutely massive club. They are only a notch below pre-Klopp Liverpool fans in that regard. They piped down for a few years recently due to their relegation but now, after one decent season, they're back up to full voice again.

Sounds familiar

Locotoro · Dec 15, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Wow a few wins under Dracula and they’re now completely deluded lol, can’t wait for them to start collapsing once they get some actual injuries because of Europe etc.

We absolutely played them off the park the other week.

At least we know why Villa are so strong through the middle....the manager hates crosses

Cavehillspur · Dec 15, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Wow a few wins under Dracula

BehindEnemyLines · Dec 15, 2023

TheChosenOne said:
To win the European Cup back in the eighties it was a total of 9 matches. 4x2 legged then a one off final.

To win our ECWC in 1963 it was 7 matches - 3x2 legged and a final.

It's a lot harder in the present format (which will change next year)

The European cup was a lot harder to get into as you had to be champions......however, if you did get in it (with all due respect to the smaller leagues) that also meant that there were really only 3 or 4 top teams in it (champions of England, Spain, Germany & Italy), so as long as you avoided them it was a pretty clear route to the semis. The current format means there are far more top teams from those top leagues, and less fillers.

It also meant the EUFA cup was far harder back then as you had the 2nd, 3rd and 4th place teams from all the big leagues, meaning there was a higher proportion of good vs fillers.....it was arguably a more difficult competition to win than the European Cup.

Riandor · Dec 15, 2023

3rd tier or not… WH have won a European trophy and frankly we would be more than happy to have won it, had we bothered to take it seriously enough.

We are not in a position to be snobbish about silverware of any official calibre.
But anyway, what are our opponents saying?

bomberH · Dec 15, 2023

Riandor said:
3rd tier or not… WH have won a European trophy and frankly we would be more than happy to have won had we bothered to take it seriously enough.

We are not in a position to be snobbish about silverware of any official calibre.
But anyway, what are our opponents saying?

That may be the case but it’s still a fact that as a bigger club, you have to fail in the league to qualify for this tournament. Apart from that covid season, the reason we wouldn’t have been able to qualify for this tournament over the last 15 years is because we finished too high in the league to do so (bar our abomination of a season last year). It’s for teams like Brentford, Wolves, West Ham and Villa etc… teams that tend to finish mid table at best and aren't generally challengers for the top 6. Villa would be devastated if they were in the Europa Conference league next season now they’ve tasted a bit of league ‘success’.

It’s not much different to organising a European tournament for the team finishing 17th each season. The ‘Just Avoided Relegation Europa Celebration Conference’.

If we were in it, I’d want to win it but if we were in it, it means we’re failing as a club. Whereas when West Ham were in it, it was seen as a massive upward step for them. So if you’re ever talking to a West Ham fan, even if they’re nice and sensible, you should always be thinking ‘looooooser’ in your mind otherwise you’re not doing them justice.

Thenewcat · Dec 15, 2023

Riandor said:
3rd tier or not… WH have won a European trophy and frankly we would be more than happy to have won had we bothered to take it seriously enough.

We are not in a position to be snobbish about silverware of any official calibre.
But anyway, what are our opponents saying?

We were forced to withdraw. But in any case, we didn’t win it last season because we were in the knockout stages of the Champions League. If we’re playing in it we’ve failed the year before.

Metalhead · Dec 15, 2023

bomberH said:
That may be the case but it’s still a fact that as a bigger club, you have to fail in the league to qualify for this tournament. Apart from that covid season, the reason we wouldn’t have been able to qualify for this tournament over the last 15 years is because we finished too high in the league to do so (bar our abomination of a season last year). It’s for teams like Brentford, Wolves, West Ham and Villa etc… teams that tend to finish mid table at best and aren't generally challengers for the top 6. Villa would be devastated if they were in the Europa Conference league next season now they’ve tasted a bit of league ‘success’.

It’s not much different to organising a European tournament for the team finishing 17th each season. The ‘Just Avoided Relegation Europa Celebration Conference’.

If we were in it, I’d want to win it but if we were in it, it means we’re failing as a club. Whereas when West Ham were in it, it was seen as a massive upward step for them. So if you’re ever talking to a West Ham fan, even if they’re nice and sensible, you should always be thinking ‘looooooser’ in your mind otherwise you’re not doing them justice.

That's as much of an indictment of European competitions. The old format of European cup/UEFA cup/Cup Winners Cup was so much stronger.

bomberH · Dec 15, 2023

FloridaSpur said:
Typed like any five year old would.

"Spurs cant relaly complain about injuries now. Only bentacur, van de leen and maddison"

The best thing about that is someone else then mentioning ‘VDL’ afterwards.

It’s like when I was talking about Ashley Phillips in his thread a few months back and called him Ashley Williams for some reason, then the next poster called him Ashley Williams too and we managed to confuse the fuck out of everyone.

Frozen_Waffles · Dec 15, 2023

bomberH said:
That may be the case but it’s still a fact that as a bigger club, you have to fail in the league to qualify for this tournament. Apart from that covid season, the reason we wouldn’t have been able to qualify for this tournament over the last 15 years is because we finished too high in the league to do so (bar our abomination of a season last year). It’s for teams like Brentford, Wolves, West Ham and Villa etc… teams that tend to finish mid table at best and aren't generally challengers for the top 6. Villa would be devastated if they were in the Europa Conference league next season now they’ve tasted a bit of league ‘success’.

It’s not much different to organising a European tournament for the team finishing 17th each season. The ‘Just Avoided Relegation Europa Celebration Conference’.

If we were in it, I’d want to win it but if we were in it, it means we’re failing as a club. Whereas when West Ham were in it, it was seen as a massive upward step for them. So if you’re ever talking to a West Ham fan, even if they’re nice and sensible, you should always be thinking ‘looooooser’ in your mind otherwise you’re not doing them justice.

I remember when Jol was in charge and we started getting into the UEFA cup (yeah I know the standard is much lower in the conference cup), but I still loved watching us against European sides. Not so much in the ECL but that was because we were crap.

West Ham won a trophy, and it may be the least of the European Cups, but it's something. For clubs like Villa, Brighton and West Ham I imagine it's great being involved in those competitions.

If we end up in the European conference league next year I'd like us to go for it and win it and I'd be happy if we did.

When you have 6 teams (NU, Chelsea, United, city, Arsenal and Liverpool) in the league who are spending ridiculous money, finishing 7th and winning a cup is a fantastic achievement. They should celebrate and sing champions of Europe.

Short of being owned by a country it's incredibly unlikely that these teams will ever get into the champions league.

The only (fair way) to do it is by growing the clubs income (like we've done), but this has taken a couple of decades and good ownership.

Anyway, I don't think we should belittle it, especially us.

As for the Forrest fans, they seem like a reasonable bunch and makes a fresh change to Villa and West Ham fans.

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