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Jenas missed the header. He has to accept the blame for that doesn't he?

I think he'd admit the same. Even though I'm a Jenas fan, he was at fault for the goal and unfortunately it's cost us big time.
 

DC_Boy

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You're right on the Gomes part. God knows why Cesar is so disliked that we would rather a 1 legged keeper than him (they must really not rate him.) But how you can say Jenas was not at fault for losing his marker i really dont know. I agree that he is our best midfielder, in the sense that he's our best box to box midfielder.

People say that Modric is our best midfielder but thats an unfair comparison. They are both different types of player. He would not have defended the corner any better. Zokora wouldn't have defended the corner any better. And Huddlestone wouldn't have defended the corner any better. So its not just Jenas.

Its been a big problem we've had with our midfielders over the years. We lack midfielders who are powerful in the air and who can actually man mark. I hope Appiah is better at defending corners. Because we rely too much on the centre backs to defend, and its often our midfielders who lose their runners and not the centre backs.



Inler and Appiah :pray:

well I think that ball should have been taken by the keeper, so I disagree

I'll check it again - if JJ misses the header then I'll agree

but I didn't see it like that that

I saw a guy with first run on a ball scoring from a close in cross that was the keeper's duty to get

but as I say I'll check it again and if JJ is at fault I'll say so
 

Adam

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Huddlestone is better than Jenas at every single attribute involving the ball by an absolute mile. He can pass, shoot, cross and has even scores the odd header. He is comfortably our best midfielder and until we start realising that we will not score goals. Who has missed all but 14 minutes of our last 4 games when we have scored ONCE? Huddlestone.

Yes, he's obviously going to have some poorer games like he did against Everton, but if you watch it again, it is clear that Zokora's ineptness at playing in a midfield four was the reason for Huddlestone's under-par performance. As i said in another thread, Huddlestone has played in every game that we have picked up points in and unless we play him for the last 17 games of this season, even if he has the odd stinker, then we are relegation fodder.

If Jenas can start regardless of performance, then so should he-at least he has got the ability to start with.
 

ginol@14

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JJ was not at fault for the goal

at fault was our policy of relying on Gomes injured or not

he should have been off with a decent reserve on - that ball could have been taken by a good keeper

what chance did JJ have of preventing that - very very little

as I say this game showed our best mid is JJ

and I'd like to hear anyone's views on who is a better mid than JJ that we currently have

modric
huddlestone
zokora
o'hara
to name but 4 , all have a more positive effect on the team

did you watch the game ? the replay shows jj push the wigan player back into the path of the ball and he had the simple task of heading it into the net.
if he actually marked him we would of got a point !
 

fazza

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JJ was not at fault for the goal

at fault was our policy of relying on Gomes injured or not

he should have been off with a decent reserve on - that ball could have been taken by a good keeper

what chance did JJ have of preventing that - very very little

as I say this game showed our best mid is JJ

and I'd like to hear anyone's views on who is a better mid than JJ that we currently have

He lost his man who scored from the corner, i'd say it was his fault.
 

worcestersauce

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I would like to hear how you are saying that Gomes is not a good keeper?

I don't think DC is saying that, he is saying that Gomes was injured, DC is a Gomes supporter it's me thats not


You are so absurdly biased towards Jenas that even if he scored five own goals, shot the rest of the team and buggered the ref you would still say he had a good game - please try and be less blinkered. As to who is better in mid than him - Mod & O'Hara for starters, both in terms of skill and commitment. Brush the love dust from your eyes and get real.

But he wouldn't score Five own goals would he? he's too good and that's the point you will not see because you are so blinkered.

modric
huddlestone
zokora
o'hara
to name but 4 , all have a more positive effect on the team

did you watch the game ? the replay shows jj push the wigan player back into the path of the ball and he had the simple task of heading it into the net.
if he actually marked him we would of got a point !

I haven't seen the game as I had something better to do today but if Jenas lost his man we can castigate him if appropriate but to put the blame for this bloody debacle on a player who came on with 10 minutes to go when all the "Better" players had done jack shit for eighty minutes and had no positive effect on the team in all that time is rediculous.


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We apparently played like shit for ninety minutes and it was all Jenas fault that we lost, for fuck sake get a grip and try to be objective people.
 

BringBack_leGin

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I don't think DC is saying that, he is saying that Gomes was injured, DC is a Gomes supporter it's me thats not




But he wouldn't score Five own goals would he? he's too good and that's the point you will not see because you are so blinkered.



I haven't seen the game as I had something better to do today but if Jenas lost his man we can castigate him if appropriate but to put the blame for this bloody debacle on a player who came on with 10 minutes to go when all the "Better" players had done jack shit for eighty minutes and had no positive effect on the team in all that time is rediculous.


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We apparently played like shit for ninety minutes and it was all Jenas fault that we lost, for fuck sake get a grip and try to be objective people.

no no, he intimated that gomes should not have been there whether or not he was injured.

and while jenas is not as bad as some say, he is not as good as others say. my reckoning is that he is somewhere in between, and sometimes, on occasion, as good, and sometimes, on occasion, as bad.

something better to do? than watch spurs? shame on you!

I take satisfaction even from my most painful moment as a spurs fan.

And we were not shit for 90 minutes, we were shit for 70.
 

DC_Boy

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I don't think DC is saying that, he is saying that Gomes was injured, DC is a Gomes supporter it's me thats not




But he wouldn't score Five own goals would he? he's too good and that's the point you will not see because you are so blinkered.



I haven't seen the game as I had something better to do today but if Jenas lost his man we can castigate him if appropriate but to put the blame for this bloody debacle on a player who came on with 10 minutes to go when all the "Better" players had done jack shit for eighty minutes and had no positive effect on the team in all that time is rediculous.


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We apparently played like shit for ninety minutes and it was all Jenas fault that we lost, for fuck sake get a grip and try to be objective people.

yep WS - you're right - I'm a gomes supporter - it was the fact that once again an injured Gomes was left to carry the can that got to me

he should have been off - it was ridiculous to hang him out to dry - AGAIN!!!

as for the anti-JJ brigade - it gets better and better

the team are playing poorly - mid is not doing their job - JJ is brought on ten minutes to go - wigan have got their tails up - we've effectively lost our best two players on the day except one is still on the pitch because of HR's *** up- and it's JJ's fault we lost

unbelievable

once again JJ in his absence showed why he is our best mid

and if anyone thinks zokora is a better mid than JJ well good luck to them :)
 

BringBack_leGin

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yep WS - you're right - I'm a gomes supporter - it was the fact that once again an injured Gomes was left to carry the can that got to me

he should have been off - it was ridiculous to hang him out to dry - AGAIN!!!

as for the anti-JJ brigade - it gets better and better

the team are playing poorly - mid is not doing their job - JJ is brought on ten minutes to go - wigan have got their tails up - we've effectively lost our best two players on the day except one is still on the pitch because of HR's *** up- and it's JJ's fault we lost

unbelievable

once again JJ in his absence showed why he is our best mid

and if anyone thinks zokora is a better mid than JJ well good luck to them :)

i don't think zokora is better than jenas, however, after all this time, jenas still doesn't convince me. he is, however, far better than shit.

also, apologies, i got the impression that you were having a go at gomes regardless of whether he was fit or not
 

theaman

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The sooner Zokora and Jenas are split up, the better.

Our midfield just gets carved open consistently with those two in the middie.

One of them has to go.
 

THOWIG

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Some people like Zokora/Jenas and many don't, but I think pretty much we are all in agreement that both could be approved on but at the minute they are the best we've got and because of our league position we are not likely to improve on.
 

TigerTom

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I was very happy with the selection of King as DM - he certainly justified his selction as did Dawson who was excellent and will be Tottenham skipper before too long. I was less happy with Zokora playing on right side midfield. That was possibly a reasonable selection in first half to provide as much physical presence as possible and to take the sting out of Wigan. At start of second half we clearly neede more creativity and should have replaced Zokora with Jenas who has shortcomings but is equally energetic and offers much more going forward than Zokora. The alternative might have been Lennon who offers our biggest threat but does not contribute as much around the pitch. I would certainly not have taken Modric off if we wanted to win the game. Having said all that we could easily have secured a draw as until Dawson was injured, I did not think Wigan actually troubled Gomes that much.
 

ginol@14

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seriously can the jj lovers explain why he is our best midfielder ?
he has terrible technique , not a patch on modric or hudd
he cant tackle , slows down our counter attacks cos his control is so poor and his vision is even worse, he cant pass forward .... he goes sideways more than samways !
has a great engine , can run around all day , usually no where near the ball
offers zero cover to the defence !
has serious lapses in concentration ( see todays goal )

the guy has had so many chances and apart from 3 or 4 good games against arsenal , he has been a complete waste of time. quite simply its time to ship him out and get someone with heart to play in the middle
i love tottenham hotspur but it kills me to see someone like this playing for my beloved club , i pay my money and watch them week in week out for years now and i have never disliked a player more than jenas , it baffles me how he is rated so highly ,
he needs to be replaced permanantly and i believe harry will do it soon !
hopefully appiah will be the answer
 

mil1lion

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disagree Huddlestone would have defended the corner better he has spent half his career playing CB and im sure he wouldnt have lost his man in that situation

He does lose his man from set pieces though. I'm not going to have a dig at him though, because i really do rate Huddlestone. I just have a problem with the lack of marking from set pieces from the team as a whole. So often we see the attacking players get a run on us in the box. We're not physical enough in the marking of set pieces.
 

teddy_sheringham_125

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I was very happy with the selection of King as DM - he certainly justified his selction as did Dawson who was excellent and will be Tottenham skipper before too long. I was less happy with Zokora playing on right side midfield. That was possibly a reasonable selection in first half to provide as much physical presence as possible and to take the sting out of Wigan. At start of second half we clearly neede more creativity and should have replaced Zokora with Jenas who has shortcomings but is equally energetic and offers much more going forward than Zokora. The alternative might have been Lennon who offers our biggest threat but does not contribute as much around the pitch. I would certainly not have taken Modric off if we wanted to win the game. Having said all that we could easily have secured a draw as until Dawson was injured, I did not think Wigan actually troubled Gomes that much.

Hi TigerTom. Sorry to disagree with your first post, but I didn't think playing King as DM worked at all. OK, we did have a bit more protection, but we had absolutely no attacking flair and were on the back foot for most of the game. He's a defender, and a mighty fine one at that, and I think we need a specialist hard tackling midfielder and not another player playing out of position.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Hi TigerTom. Sorry to disagree with your first post, but I didn't think playing King as DM worked at all. OK, we did have a bit more protection, but we had absolutely no attacking flair and were on the back foot for most of the game. He's a defender, and a mighty fine one at that, and I think we need a specialist hard tackling midfielder and not a stand in defender.

The problem wasnt King at Dm, it was King and Zokora in midfield. Replace Zokora with Lennon and everything changes for the better
 

teddy_sheringham_125

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The problem wasnt King at Dm, it was King and Zokora in midfield. Replace Zokora with Lennon and everything changes for the better

I just don't agree. King looked immobile and I don't think he has enough of the right attributes to be a DM. He's also not calm enough on the ball in more pressure situations. To be fair, a certain former England manager disagrees with me, but I still remain unconvinced.
 

BringBack_leGin

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I just don't agree. King looked immobile and I don't think he has enough of the right attributes to be a DM. He's also not calm enough on the ball in more pressure situations. To be fair, a certain former England manager disagrees with me, but I still remain unconvinced.

I mean this with the greatest respect.

Did you watch the match today?

He was our one player who was calm on the ball.

Our one midfielder who was not wasteful in possession.

Our one midfielder who held the ball under pressure.

Our best tackler.

The only one who marked well.

The only one who was always in the right position.
 

teddy_sheringham_125

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I mean this with the greatest respect.

Did you watch the match today?

He was our one player who was calm on the ball.

Our one midfielder who was not wasteful in possession.

Our one midfielder who held the ball under pressure.

Our best tackler.

The only one who marked well.

The only one who was always in the right position.

I did indeed watch the game today. I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree here. The entire midfield was poor today and King didn't do anything to put himself above the crowd. I'll agree he was our best tackler, but to be fair, I'd expect that anyway. He was a centre back sitting 20 yards further forward and I just think we need more than that from one of our two CMs.
 

BringBack_leGin

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I did indeed watch the game today. I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree here. The entire midfield was poor today and King didn't do anything to put himself above the crowd. I'll agree he was our best tackler, but to be fair, I'd expect that anyway. He was a centre back sitting 20 yards further forward and I just think we need more than that from one of our two CMs.

fair enough. I feel that with Zokora out of the team, King could very easily be in midfield. Game of opinions as they say.
 
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