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EastLondonYid

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:clap:WOW we actually have a spurs fan with good footballing knowledge and a good footballing brain. Be careful though mate that can get you into a lot of trouble on this forum.:wink: Anyway your spot on to cut a long story short he isn’t good enough and he should never ever of been a spurs player. All these comments about his England caps and scoring record is laughable. Before people bleat on about his fantastic scoring record for England look at the teams he has scored against 3 goals against the footballing giants of Jamica spring to mind.

The only manager who rates this guy his arry the rest of the managers who bought him couldn't get rid of him quick enough. He is a player than you bring on in games in the last 5-10 minutes to get you a goal when all else has failed. Not a player you lump balls up to when you have squad packed full of good technical players that are capable imo of competing with any side in the premiership when it comes to playing football. It saddens me that we play football the way we do when he is in he side. Tbh I don't see Arsenal with Chamakh and Chelsea with Drogba playing ugly long balls to their CF's. It's exactly the reason why I never wanted Arry or Crouchie in the first place. We look like an old school English prehistoric football side ala Wimbeldon or Bolton if we didn't have good players I might understand it but we do it’s a tragedy.

Wow.......what a load crap....

Crouch i agree is not a real top striker, and once defoe is back, harry we pair him up with VDV, but to suggest we play prehistoric football is utter bollocks!!!!

oh, and on the fact that Harry is the only boss who believes in crouch...and has bought him over and over again.....doesn't that really apply to defoe too?:shrug: how many times has harry taken defoe?...
and how many other managers have messed jermaine about?
that doesn't prove jack shit...

crouch is a good squad player, and a decent pro, he always gives 100%, never moans, and is well liked by his teamates...
i do think he will be used as an impact sub when defoe is back, but all the flack he gets is abot OTT.
 

Donki

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how about goals overall or goals per minute played

Have no idea but I am presumed it was goals overall, it just shows that he can head the ball dispite some slighty OTT comments on here.
 

michaelden

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Have no idea but I am presumed it was goals overall, it just shows that he can head the ball dispite some slighty OTT comments on here.

it was headers only. my point is that headers are only a minority percentage of goals scored by top strikers and his total return is pants.

plus his return on headers vs attempts must be pretty poor too for all the crosses that get put into him
 

ethanedwards

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Wow.......what a load crap....

Crouch i agree is not a real top striker, and once defoe is back, harry we pair him up with VDV, but to suggest we play prehistoric football is utter bollocks!!!!

oh, and on the fact that Harry is the only boss who believes in crouch...and has bought him over and over again.....doesn't that really apply to defoe too?:shrug: how many times has harry taken defoe?...
and how many other managers have messed jermaine about?
that doesn't prove jack shit...

crouch is a good squad player, and a decent pro, he always gives 100%, never moans, and is well liked by his teamates...
i do think he will be used as an impact sub when defoe is back, but all the flack he gets is abot OTT.
We are basically a team that doesn't score enough goals, especially from our forwards. In the premiership for the calender year 2010 we have scored 36 goals in 27 games. Crouch, Defoe and Pav have contributed a grand total of 14, with Pav tops with 6. We need an upgrade, as none of our strikers are good enough at the highest level, to compliment VDV. Darren Bent will probably score more league goals in 2010 than our esteemed strikers, which sums it all up for me.
 

sidford

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Crouch has scored 10 goals in his last 84 premier league over 3 seasons, how can that be good enough?!
 

EastLondonYid

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Crouch has scored 10 goals in his last 84 premier league over 3 seasons, how can that be good enough?!

ITS not good enough....BUT... crouch played his part in the most succesfull season we have ever had in the prem....

He scored and played in both games against city, and they couldn't handle him..so lets give him some credit!!

If we get champs league again, and crouch only gets 7,8,9 goals...who fucking cares???
 

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We need an upgrade, as none of our strikers are good enough at the highest level, to compliment VDV. Darren Bent will probably score more league goals in 2010 than our esteemed strikers, which sums it all up for me.

Last summer's transfer activity suggests Harry knows our shortcomings.

Spurs are between a rock and a hard place in that we know we need better strikers but they are not enamaoured in residing in UK until they know we are not a one season Champions League Wonder.

Our four current residents are about as good as we can contemplate prior to the season starting. All four are Premiership veterens now and that factor is huge.
 

EastLondonYid

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We are basically a team that doesn't score enough goals, especially from our forwards. In the premiership for the calender year 2010 we have scored 36 goals in 27 games. Crouch, Defoe and Pav have contributed a grand total of 14, with Pav tops with 6. We need an upgrade, as none of our strikers are good enough at the highest level, to compliment VDV. Darren Bent will probably score more league goals in 2010 than our esteemed strikers, which sums it all up for me.


i agree...

but lets not lay the blame entirely on crouch...im not suggesting you are...
When we bought him, we knew we were buying a player that was never prolific,he is and always was, a player that others feed off.

The reason we havn't scored enough goals..IMO..is defoe's injury coupled by pav and keane's poor form.

proof being the amount of goals VDV has scored,without being a striker, set up by crouchie....
 

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/oct/25/five-things-we-learned-this-weekend

Don't know if this has been posted...

1) The Premier League can deal with Peter Crouch

Crouch had a peculiar game against Everton on Saturday. Aggressively double marked at set pieces, with one defender in front and one behind, he was repeatedly buffeted to the ground as the ball was delivered, losing out not by foul play but by his own inability to compete at the jostling and ground-standing aspects of what is still a contact sport. By the end Crouch appeared to have spent most of the game either flat on his back or appealing to the referee for a (non-existent) foul. He did set up Rafael van der Vaart's tap-in with a deflection off his thigh. He also never stopped trying. But the increasing impression is that Crouch may be a busted flush at this level.


Here are the headline stats: in the past three seasons Crouch has scored 10 goals in 84 Premier League matches. In other competitions, against teams less familiar with his strength and weaknesses, he has scored 22 goals in 37 games. This is an astonishing disparity in strike rates, particularly given that most "other" games are either internationals or European matches. It suggests that Premier League teams know how to cope with Crouch; that as a player he has failed to develop new strings and tricks; and that perhaps he is now finding it difficult physically. We don't have much insight into the effects of age on the Crouch-style physique, mainly because the Crouch-style physique is pretty much confined to one man: Crouch. But at 29 the lack of pace looks to be becoming chronic. He seems less flexible too. Perhaps we should simply be praising Crouch's ability to extract a fine career against the odds. But the facts are plain: over the past three years Crouch has been the scourge of strangers while among friends he fails to make a mark.
 

Dwallace

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/oct/25/five-things-we-learned-this-weekend

Don't know if this has been posted...

1) The Premier League can deal with Peter Crouch

Crouch had a peculiar game against Everton on Saturday. Aggressively double marked at set pieces, with one defender in front and one behind, he was repeatedly buffeted to the ground as the ball was delivered, losing out not by foul play but by his own inability to compete at the jostling and ground-standing aspects of what is still a contact sport. By the end Crouch appeared to have spent most of the game either flat on his back or appealing to the referee for a (non-existent) foul. He did set up Rafael van der Vaart's tap-in with a deflection off his thigh. He also never stopped trying. But the increasing impression is that Crouch may be a busted flush at this level.


Here are the headline stats: in the past three seasons Crouch has scored 10 goals in 84 Premier League matches. :rofl: In other competitions, against teams less familiar with his strength and weaknesses, he has scored 22 goals in 37 games. This is an astonishing disparity in strike rates, particularly given that most "other" games are either internationals or European matches. It suggests that Premier League teams know how to cope with Crouch; that as a player he has failed to develop new strings and tricks; and that perhaps he is now finding it difficult physically. We don't have much insight into the effects of age on the Crouch-style physique, mainly because the Crouch-style physique is pretty much confined to one man: Crouch. But at 29 the lack of pace looks to be becoming chronic. He seems less flexible too. Perhaps we should simply be praising Crouch's ability to extract a fine career against the odds. But the facts are plain: over the past three years Crouch has been the scourge of strangers while among friends he fails to make a mark.

:whistle:That my friends sums it all up!
 

spursontheloose

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I'm not going to slate Crouch as I think he has done enough to earn the respect of our fans with his assists and the few goals he has scored and also his experience in the champions league will be a big help to the rest of the squad but he does have his weaknesses.

Can't generate any power whatsoever in his shot and is easily marked. Saturdays game against Everton proved it. If he is marked out of the game then our chances of scoring go down dramatically as he is our target man at the mo. He is also physically weak so it's easy for him to be shoved out of the way.

We do need at least 2 top quality strikers then I believe we will be almost complete and out of the 4 strikers we have, if I was manager I would sell Crouch and Keane.

Not going to slate him as I said before as without him we most probably would'nt be in the position we are in now and to call him shit is way OTT.
 

nailsy

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What's surprising to me is that so many people on here are giving Crouch grief while all the football pundits are saying how good an understanding he's got with VDV and how Defoe may struggle to get back in the team.

For me Crouch is a good squad player and I'd hate us to sell him. The modern day squad should be full of players who give you different options and Crouch is almost unique. He's not world class, and he's never going to score 20 goals in a season but he is a decent enough premier league striker who causes teams problems and creates chances for his team mates. He's off form at the moment, but he's also playing in a system that is different to the one he's used to. Don't forget that he's also had off the pitch problems which, whilst his own doing, may be affecting his form. Hopefully he'll score a goal soon and we'll see him return to form - may-be with the winner against Utd or Inter.
 

stemark44

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He couldn't batter a fish, he would be out-muscled by a 90 year old pensioner and he would be out jumped by a midget.
 

Vedi

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Im thankful for his contribution to our Top 4 finish last season, but for me Crouch is simply not good enough. I never saw the figures till now, but 10 goals in 84 Premier League games is shocking, and I must admit i never thought his record would be this bad.

Whats most frustrating with Crouch is that most of our midfield creativity goes wasted when we play him upfront on his own. On counter attacks we always lose several seconds when Crouch gets the ball. Ive never seen Crouch receive a pass while running towards the opposition, because he just cant do it, he lacks the pace, the acceleration and ability to start a run. Whenever he gets the ball he stands with his back to a opponent, then tries to controle the ball and then pass it back to the midfield.

With Defoe its the total opposite, about 80% of the times a ball comes towards him he tries turn around facing the opposition and then getting the ball while in his run. In a counter attack this might be the 1-2 seconds that sets him free of his markers. Given this style of play he has a lot of offsides, which is for some fans frustrating, but 1 out of 3 tries wont be offside and he might be 1 on 1 against the goalkeeper.
 

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I dont think we should sell him at all, he just shouldnt be playing this much!
 

Vedi

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What's surprising to me is that so many people on here are giving Crouch grief while all the football pundits are saying how good an understanding he's got with VDV and how Defoe may struggle to get back in the team.

For me Crouch is a good squad player and I'd hate us to sell him. The modern day squad should be full of players who give you different options and Crouch is almost unique. He's not world class, and he's never going to score 20 goals in a season but he is a decent enough premier league striker who causes teams problems and creates chances for his team mates. He's off form at the moment, but he's also playing in a system that is different to the one he's used to. Don't forget that he's also had off the pitch problems which, whilst his own doing, may be affecting his form. Hopefully he'll score a goal soon and we'll see him return to form - may-be with the winner against Utd or Inter.

Just almost :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTLCOaYB5Z8
 

Stoof

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I expect it's been said over 11 pages, but I expect in and amongst the "OMGZ!! HE'S DA BEST" and the "FUCK SAKE CROUCH YOU SHOULD HAVE 150 GOALS BY NOW YOU PLANK", there's something of the "he's scored important goals, missed quite a few chances, been fairly unlucky for not getting awarded free-kicks, set-up important goals but ultimately is a poor headerer [actual word] of the ball".

And probably a lot of "good feet for a big man" and "unfortunately causes our defence to lump the ball up to him".

I've always maintained an admiration for Crouch, I think he offers something different. But I like having him on the bench. He's a Plan B for me - and "Plan B" is called that for a reason. It's not Plan A.

However, our Plan A can't include any of our current non-injured strikers. Pav, Crouch and Keane all suffer massively from inconsistency - Defoe does too, but less so in my opinion. So what do we do? Bring on Kranjcar and play a Scottish 4-6-0?? I don't know.

It's a very weird situation to be in. VDV for all his goalscoring and midfield brilliance won't stick in one position, he'll roam. And we saw against Villa that freeing him up and having someone to stay on the right wing was definitely the answer. So we need a loan striker then. In the meantime, dare we give Pav a run in the team? Probably. We've still got two months of this too.

Roll on the window?
 

jonathanhotspur

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/oct/25/five-things-we-learned-this-weekend

Don't know if this has been posted...

1) The Premier League can deal with Peter Crouch

Crouch had a peculiar game against Everton on Saturday. Aggressively double marked at set pieces, with one defender in front and one behind, he was repeatedly buffeted to the ground as the ball was delivered, losing out not by foul play but by his own inability to compete at the jostling and ground-standing aspects of what is still a contact sport. By the end Crouch appeared to have spent most of the game either flat on his back or appealing to the referee for a (non-existent) foul. He did set up Rafael van der Vaart's tap-in with a deflection off his thigh. He also never stopped trying. But the increasing impression is that Crouch may be a busted flush at this level.


Here are the headline stats: in the past three seasons Crouch has scored 10 goals in 84 Premier League matches. In other competitions, against teams less familiar with his strength and weaknesses, he has scored 22 goals in 37 games. This is an astonishing disparity in strike rates, particularly given that most "other" games are either internationals or European matches. It suggests that Premier League teams know how to cope with Crouch; that as a player he has failed to develop new strings and tricks; and that perhaps he is now finding it difficult physically. We don't have much insight into the effects of age on the Crouch-style physique, mainly because the Crouch-style physique is pretty much confined to one man: Crouch. But at 29 the lack of pace looks to be becoming chronic. He seems less flexible too. Perhaps we should simply be praising Crouch's ability to extract a fine career against the odds. But the facts are plain: over the past three years Crouch has been the scourge of strangers while among friends he fails to make a mark.

Nice find.
 

Marty

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I expect it's been said over 11 pages, but I expect in and amongst the "OMGZ!! HE'S DA BEST" and the "FUCK SAKE CROUCH YOU SHOULD HAVE 150 GOALS BY NOW YOU PLANK", there's something of the "he's scored important goals, missed quite a few chances, been fairly unlucky for not getting awarded free-kicks, set-up important goals but ultimately is a poor headerer [actual word] of the ball".

And probably a lot of "good feet for a big man" and "unfortunately causes our defence to lump the ball up to him".

I've always maintained an admiration for Crouch, I think he offers something different. But I like having him on the bench. He's a Plan B for me - and "Plan B" is called that for a reason. It's not Plan A.

However, our Plan A can't include any of our current non-injured strikers. Pav, Crouch and Keane all suffer massively from inconsistency - Defoe does too, but less so in my opinion. So what do we do? Bring on Kranjcar and play a Scottish 4-6-0?? I don't know.

It's a very weird situation to be in. VDV for all his goalscoring and midfield brilliance won't stick in one position, he'll roam. And we saw against Villa that freeing him up and having someone to stay on the right wing was definitely the answer. So we need a loan striker then. In the meantime, dare we give Pav a run in the team? Probably. We've still got two months of this too.

Roll on the window?
Absolutely agree with pretty much every word of this Stoofio, but I would like to add that, given the Guardian article that states Crouch's scoring record in the PL vs. other competitions, in the CL this season he is Plan A, and rightly so.
 
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