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I'm getting really annoyed with fickle fans

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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As I sit here amidst the dust covered pile of broken dreams and faded hopes collected over a lifetime of supporting Spurs I look wistfully back to happier days when life was simple and Spurs fans didn’t moan and whinge and lay the blame for every mishap on a single player; I believe it was about 1881 after which our club was born and everything changed.

The most pilloried player in my experience was John Pratt back in the late 60’s & 70’s and the sad thing about John, who came from our youth system, was that he was a good player in a team of very good players and stars and some of the stick he took was ferocious.
At least there seems to be much more of a spread these days and we must remember that forums such as SC make it seem that there is much more bile than there actually is, certainly more than is ever really shown during a game, except perhaps towards certain ex players with, allegedly, no homosexual inclination.
It’s not really as bad as it seems it’s just born of frustration and frustration is something the Spurs have got down to a fine art.

My prediction is that we will win on Sunday and the flames of hope will again spring from the last fading embers of our optimism.

A win, Three points, four places up the league, joy unbounded and love ever after, maybe even talk of a European place again.

It’s fun being fickle!
 

DC_Boy

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May 20, 2005
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Hi WS - wise words as normal, and yes I remember the stick given to Pratt

as you say (and as I've already alluded to) SC and other boards magnifies feelings

but I just cant forget or forgive the nasty cheap shots that so many have directed at various of our players/managers over the past few years

It's my problem of course, I have to deal with it as best as I can :)
 

Mr Gamgee

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Jul 25, 2005
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Im sorry but we deserve the right to be fickle. I pay a lot of money to go and watch us play, and if i dont think players are good enough or the manager is good enough, ill have a good old moan about it.

We spend nearly as much money as chelsea and man utd, yet we find find ourselves in the relegation zone 20 games into a season, im sorry but thats not good enough.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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Hi WS - wise words as normal, and yes I remember the stick given to Pratt

as you say (and as I've already alluded to) SC and other boards magnifies feelings

but I just cant forget or forgive the nasty cheap shots that so many have directed at various of our players/managers over the past few years

It's my problem of course, I have to deal with it as best as I can :)

I concur, we all have our concerns over certain players but there is such a thing as over the top.
 

gibbs131

Banned
May 20, 2005
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I am a Harry supporter.

I did find myself turning on the player though for a change.

Supporters have a right to be fickle. Worst start in footballing history coupled with embarrassing transfer dealings...
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
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Anyone who boos our players at White Hart Lane is being an idiot, and it's very simple to show that. Thusly:

1) Supporters pay money to see Spurs play. Why? Because they support Spurs

2) Why do the supporters support Spurs? Because they have formed a connection with Spurs and have developed a love for the club

3) As supporters of the club, they want the club to succeed

4) For the club to succeed, it needs results.

5) Results come when Spurs score more than the opposition (or at least score the same number)

6) A team of players low on confidence are less likely to score more goals than the opposition.

7) How can a supporter do his/her bit to instill confidence in the players? By showing support vocally from the stands.

8) Is booing showing support? Yes or no?

So in 8 easy steps, I've demonstrated why Spurs fans who boo any member of the team are fucktards.

As to the fickle nature of the fans, it is a sad truth that we are a very fickle bunch. Having an opinion is fine. Airing it is fine. But it has to be with the caveat that as long as an individual is associated with Spurs they should be given a fair crack of the whip.

I was a staunch anti-Ramosite. I thought he was killing the club and I celebrated when he left. Likewise, I was a staunch anti-Comollian, and almost made love to my computer monitor when I read the news story that he had finally fucked off.

But I didn't immediately become an anti-Ramosite, or anti-Comollian. That was after I had seen what they had done at the club and judged them on their accomplishments (or lack thereof).

I find it the height of insanity that there are people laying into Harry Redknapp when he hasn't even been at the club for three months yet. I wasn't inspired by the choice. I was shocked as hell, but as soon as he signed he became Spurs manager and he got my support until such time as he did enough to lose it. He hasn't done that yet.

Yes, he's had a dodgy past. Yes, he has a strong connection with West Ham. So fucking what? George Graham was as Arsenal as they come and he won us the League Cup. Was that by accident? Did he not mean for Spurs to win it, because he had an axe to grind? Or was it because for all his Arsenal past, Graham was a professional and did the job in front of him to the best of his abilities? The same is true of Harry Redknapp. I doubt he gives a monkey's toss what West Ham do now. He is Spurs manager and as a professional manager he wants to do the best job he can.

I have a friend who works with both the Spurs Foundation and the Arsenal charity. He's a Spurs fan, but he doesn't do a shit job for the Arsenal charity because it's his job to do the best job that he can, as a professional.

People defend their rants against Harry (or Ramos, or Jol, or whoever) as their right to an opinion. I believe that everyone has an entitlement to an opinion. Even if I disagree with that opinion, I will still defend that person's right to have it. However, the majority of people these days don't understand that an opinion has to be based on some form of rationale. An opinion is something that is formed form a reasoned series of points that lead to a hypothesis. Most anti-Redknappites will merely say he is dodgy, or he's Mr West Ham, or we're not doing wonderfully well at the moment, or a combination of factors. That's not an opinion, based on reasoned thought. That's a feeling.

This is the heart of the fickle fan's problem: often it isn't that they have a rational idea, but merely that that is where their feelings have taken them.
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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So am I...wait a minute...er...no I'm not...oh' i don't know... they should be roasted alive...no, no...er...I mean they should be given the freedm-hood of the city...WHO ME! :-D
 

DoublePivot

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Jul 1, 2005
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I'm getting really annoyed with people who call others "suppossed supporters" if they don't act like slobbering sycophants. Anyone who uses the term is being disingenuous and doltish. They tend to be so self-obsessed and deluded that they think the only criteria for being a supporter in agreeing with their opinion.

It's a big-ass fucking tribe here at Spurs. And there are going to be a lot of opinions. You want to control thought, support Wigan. There are only four fans to argue with and its easier to get a consensus.

 

Sp3akerboxxx

Adoption: Nabil Bentaleb
Apr 4, 2006
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costs a hundred quid for me to go to a game.

if i wanan say they're shit, then i can say they're shit.
 

Nocando

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Mar 11, 2012
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As it seems that the "must be entertained argument" is the only reason why fans aren't being good supporters, here is a thread from 2009 to help jog your memory.
 

Nocando

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Mar 11, 2012
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Fuck me, that's a good memory!

To be honest it wasn't my memory. I just typed "boo" into the search box and went back as far as poss (page 10). I don't really like 'bumping' threads (especially when it makes us look even worse) but I think it's quite important that arguments are put into context with evidence, in this case the must be entertained argument.

In fact I could bump over 100 threads from the last 6 or 7 years (if they hadn't been archived) on this or any other forum. Until people can get their heads around the problem being them and us...yes that's YOU and ME the supporter, than the solution wont be found.

We've all got to accept responsibility and help change things. The sooner we stop blaming everything else the sooner this will happen.
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
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To be honest it wasn't my memory. I just typed "boo" into the search box and went back as far as poss (page 10). I don't really like 'bumping' threads (especially when it makes us look even worse) but I think it's quite important that arguments are put into context with evidence, in this case the must be entertained argument.

In fact I could bump over 100 threads from the last 6 or 7 years (if they hadn't been archived) on this or any other forum. Until people can get their heads around the problem being them and us...yes that's YOU and ME the supporter, than the solution wont be found.

We've all got to accept responsibility and help change things. The sooner we stop blaming everything else the sooner this will happen.
:LOL:. Nice!
 

mattyspurs

It is what it is
Jan 31, 2005
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To be honest it wasn't my memory. I just typed "boo" into the search box and went back as far as poss (page 10). I don't really like 'bumping' threads (especially when it makes us look even worse) but I think it's quite important that arguments are put into context with evidence, in this case the must be entertained argument.

In fact I could bump over 100 threads from the last 6 or 7 years (if they hadn't been archived) on this or any other forum. Until people can get their heads around the problem being them and us...yes that's YOU and ME the supporter, than the solution wont be found.

We've all got to accept responsibility and help change things. The sooner we stop blaming everything else the sooner this will happen.

I just did that and it turned out to be a thread in Chat about Houdini jumping out on his latest victims :)
 

HotspurFC1950

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Feb 6, 2011
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It's sport. Because someone chooses to pay 100 quid does not give him or her the right to boo or whatever.

If you want entertainment that is supposed to be of a consistently good standard go to a West End theatre.

As well, if you are a supporter then support.
 
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