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Bus-Conductor

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yeah for 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 whatever....we still lost.....something fundamentally wrong with the team at the moment....no motivation and can you blame them?

You know what motivated me every single time I played football, whether it was in the school playground, on a shitty lump of pitch or on a five a side pitch aged 40 ? Personal pride.

And if anyone had ever paid me 50k a game, that would certainly have filled in when personal pride was on holiday.

I'm not saying players weren't motivated tonight, I don't think that was the problem, but it never should be either.
 

CowInAComa

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Aug 31, 2012
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Name them mate. I remember the 7-1 against Newcastle from around 15 years ago, Chelsea battered us a few times, city hit us for five in Harry's last season, but I cant think of a spell where we've been battered so much within 1 season let alone 16 matches

3 times in 10 premiership matches.

and people talk about ardiles as some sort of managerial yardstick for total crapness..
 

Davo99

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Dec 2, 2006
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Om dog - The levels of hysteria in here are frankly laughable.What are you going to do, threaten to bitch endlessly if we don't win and withdraw your valuable f-in wisdom and support for the team - grow a pair!
If we keep making the same mistake of sacking our manager after a bad run of games as soon as the going gets a bit tough, and in doing so setting ourselves back another five years...only to then go and do the same thing again, and again and again, there's only so long I can remain interested and enthusiastic about it all. We get a good young manager in and we make the same fucking mistakes and get rid because the fans think we have some divine right to win everything before us and if not they'll boo and howl until he's gone. Well enough now, who we gonna get in and why will it be any different. Glenn fucking Hoddle? Again? Haven't we already tried and sacked him? Who's the next mug? If we can't learn from our own mistakes we should at least try and learn from other people's. But no, sack the fucking manager instead. You carry on 'supporting' mate, until we sack the next bloke crazy enough to have a go. It's the fans and their immediate expectancy that's the major underlying problem. I'm not one of them, I wanted AVB to be given a good chance and let him have the job long term to actually build something. Don't give me that shit.
 

TaoistMonkey

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What a collosal disappointment.

Oh well. Wake me up when this is all over.
 

CowInAComa

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If we keep making the same mistake of sacking our manager after a bad run of games as soon as the going gets a bit tough, and in doing so setting ourselves back another five years...only to then go and do the same thing again, and again and again, there's only so long I can remain interested and enthusiastic about it all. We get a good young manager in and we make the same fucking mistakes and get rid because the fans think we have some divine right to win everything before us and if not they'll boo and howl until he's gone. Well enough now, who we gonna get in and why will it be any different. Glenn fucking Hoddle? Again? Haven't we already tried and sacked him? Who's the next mug? If we can't learn from our own mistakes we should at least try and learn from other people's. But no, sack the fucking manager instead. You carry on 'supporting' mate, until we sack the next bloke crazy enough to have a go. It's the fans and their immediate expectancy that's the major underlying problem. I'm not one of them, I wanted AVB to be given a good chance and let him have the job long term to actually build something. Don't give me that shit.

You can follow him at his new club. And we wont have to watch.

everyone is happy.
 

Legend10

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Lloris is a classic example of it's going to take some time to get back fully on track, his confidence is clearly low and that's not going to just return with a click of the fingers. Many other players are in the same boat but they haven't become bad players overnight.

The staff and players need to come through a tough period but they will and we will push on!
 

KILLA_SIN

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If we keep making the same mistake of sacking our manager after a bad run of games as soon as the going gets a bit tough, and in doing so setting ourselves back another five years...only to then go and do the same thing again, and again and again, there's only so long I can remain interested and enthusiastic about it all. We get a good young manager in and we make the same fucking mistakes and get rid because the fans think we have some divine right to win everything before us and if not they'll boo and howl until he's gone. Well enough now, who we gonna get in and why will it be any different. Glenn fucking Hoddle? Again? Haven't we already tried and sacked him? Who's the next mug? If we can't learn from our own mistakes we should at least try and learn from other people's. But no, sack the fucking manager instead. You carry on 'supporting' mate, until we sack the next bloke crazy enough to have a go. It's the fans and their immediate expectancy that's the major underlying problem. I'm not one of them, I wanted AVB to be given a good chance and let him have the job long term to actually build something. Don't give me that shit.

But we haven't set ourselves back five years, we have never set ourselves back five years anytime we sack a manager and we do it at least every two years
 

Bus-Conductor

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I've said the same myself elsewhere, it was a bright start but got scrappy. I am not a fan of the formation, the personnel or think we should be playing this way long term... but I cant agree with people saying it was the formation and a consequence of 'lottery football' that is why we lost tonight... It wasn't end to end, they barely had a sniff until the started pumping long balls forward and we defended disgustingly. That's where all their chances came from (not counting the injury time stuff). Individual errors cost us. We could have been playing 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 (and we did concede after bringing on the extra midfielder), whatever, it wouldn't have mattered a jot if you defend like that.

These are the same reasons/excuses that some of us were making after other games. Our goal came from a break from their pressure. I don't care about the formation so much as long as we look vaguely coherent and work hard, press coherently etc. After a first 20 minute hurrah that game degenerated into a lottery and got worse as the game went on.

Sigurdsson in a CM2 was as stupid as anything AVB has done, as was leaving Defoe on the pitch or Lennon.
 

SteveH

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Jul 21, 2003
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Bloody stupid thread. All Spurs fans and including Levy and Tim S. and AVB is/was success for the club.

No Spurs fans, staff/players have got anything they wanted from the past weeks. Except those who get a kick from gloating.

Grow up!
 

SlunkSoma

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Oct 5, 2004
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After our Siamese Dream, this all feels a bit Tottenham Hotspur and the Infinite Sadness.
 

Flashspur

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I really think everyone needs to take a collective deep breath and chill. It was Sherwood's first game. His hands were tied for a number of reasons:

  • Lack of proper defenders.
  • Rose and Ade hadnt played full games and there was a match fitness issue.
  • Not turning to Soldado, Eriksen etc was silly as it gave Sherwood few options late in the game.
  • Townsend's injury was a bitch and screwed up the game plan.
  • Lennon is still too much of a passenger in matches and he is a luxury we cant afford over 90 minutes
  • The lack of cohesion in play is no better then it was - we dont seem to be able to link midfield and attack and that's an area he needs to concentrate on.
  • I liked Ade in the free role but seriously he should be playing him with Soldado.
  • I think he needs to play a team based on the players skills and not formation. Lets get rid of square pegs in round holes.

It wasnt the worst performance but it isnt the best either but he needs time. So people should be a little patient with Sherwood. All this talk about Sherwood out after a few days is just ridiculously silly. I am not saying he is the future but while we look for a replacement, he needs to be supported.
 

npr60

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Perhaps it's okay to play 4-4-2 at short notice against an under strength West Ham, but i really hope it isn't the long term plan or else we've just set ourselves back another five years. The whole youth setup is geared towards producing players to fit in to a 4-3-3 system, if we regress back to 4-2-2 in the long run we may as well bring bloody Mike Bassett in.

Well I don't know about that italian fella we employ but obviously you surely should be the director of football at Spurs, (at lthe very least!)
 

Legend10

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These are the same reasons/excuses that some of us were making after other games. Our goal came from a break from their pressure. I don't care about the formation so much as long as we look vaguely coherent and work hard, press coherently etc. After a first 20 minute hurrah that game degenerated into a lottery and got worse as the game went on.

Sigurdsson in a CM2 was as stupid as anything AVB has done, as was leaving Defoe on the pitch or Lennon.


You could probably write all of your posts for the next few months now BC, we all know exactly what they will say.
 

SpurSince57

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Didn't Levy sack Graham a few days before we played the scum in an FA Cup semi-final? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Indeed he did.

Consider, however, that if we'd won that semi we'd have been stuck with Gooner George even longer than we were.
 
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