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Donki

Donki

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barry said:
By his team do you mean Bale, one of the worlds great players who papered over AVB's deficiencies.
Do you actually believe that with this squad many managers couldn't of done far far better than AVB?
What did you see in the last eighteen months that made you think we were turning the corner? I must know because I saw nothing.
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I have asked the same thin biglad to a few people, as yet I haven't got an answer. I backed him, I asked for him to be given time, I seen nothing but the same shit ever game. I wasn't calling for his head but get wasn't surprised he left. Yes we were beaten tonight but tbh comparing the performance tonight to the Hammers last visit were better off IMO, remember they didn't even have a recognised striker last time out.
 
rez9000

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Nocando said:
Typical Spurs fan getting ready to judge before the new manager has even played a game.
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And that is precisely the point - that AVB was judged before he took the reins. That refusal - outright, petty, unreasoned, child-tantrum level refusal - is at least partly to blame for our current predicament.

My esteem to those who actually picked up the point - that during AVB's tenure, as a group we felt it more important to rail against the coach, to sow negativity and discord among the fans than to get behind the man.

And my pity for those of you who STILL. DON'T. GET. IT.

That for all your harping, all your complaining, all your booing, all your hatred, all your mindless armchair management opinions which are backed up with not one joy of actual, professional, experience, we're still in the shit.

You're all so keen to blame someone else - AVB, 'Arry, Adebayor, Levy... Don't you bear some of the fucking responsibility? When do you stand and get counted? When do you learn that all the shit you've been pouring out for the last 16 months has contributed to this miasmic shitstorm we're in right now? And that next time, instead of getting on the manager's back just cause he's not YOUR first choice, you actually support him - even if you think he's not the right man.

Pull your heads out of the sand, get behind the club (and for those who say 'I support the club, not the manager' - the manager is PART of the club, morons!) and stop grinding axes.

We cannot continue like this - it has to stop! I stopped posting on SC because I got tired of the constant sniping, the constant attacks on the manager, the players, the chairman. Not once did I see any of the snipers turn around and say, 'you know what? I bear some of the responsibility for this.'

No, no, no. It was always, 'I pay my money, I have a right to boo', or 'I can criticise all I want - I've been to the Lane 4 billion times'.

Guys, it has to stop. We are damaging ourselves and our club. I know I've gone on a bit of a screed-fest here, but I was trying to make a point, and I apologise for the fury and the ire. Whatever happens next, we have to come back together. We need to celebrate our commonality - our love for our club.

Regardless of income, colour, religion or gender, we are all the same in this one thing.

Please, for the love you have for your club, can we come back together? Can we stop the negativity, can we stop the sniping?

Whatever happens next, let's face it together - without having battle lines drawn. And that applies to all of us - we've all been guilty of vitriol and acting resentfully.

The time to stop is now.
 
Bus-Conductor

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Legend10 said:
But I'm open minded on what might happen, I didn't want at this stage to see AVB go either, but he has and I'm interested to see how we develop and what direction we go in from here.

You're going to just compare everything negatively with AVB and drone on about the same old players and you've kicked straight in after just 1 game, I think even you know that's what is going to happen.
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No, what I did was pour scorn on people saying that was a better performance than what had gone before. Why don't you go and revisit what I wrote during AVB's early games, or for that matter Sunday's.

Or you could read one of the posts I've made saying I was happy for Sherwood to given a go if no better options were found.

I open mindedly think that some stupid decisions were made tonight and we paid the price in game that became a mess. That is me open mindedly calling it as I saw it. If next game he makes good choices, we play with some degree of control and the performance is better, I'll say that too. And no doubt, you'll disagree.
 
spurs-r-us

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Nocando said:
It doesn't have anything to do with formations. It has everything to do with people believing their sad pathetic opinions are more important than they actually are.
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It has plenty to do with formations. I didn't actually see many Spurs fans demanding we play 4-4-2 or start Defoe, that was mostly media pressure. What the fans wanted was passing from the midfield and crossing to the feet of the striker.
 
Khilari

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Rout-Ledge said:
And booing after losing 5-0 at home isn't exactly unheard of is it? Not is it pressuring a chairman to sack the manager.

When you've got placards being brandished and songs being sung loudly by large groups of support, then that's pressuring the chairman to sack the coach.
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I think you could have ignited 36,000 farts with a flame-grilled smoke message that said "sack avb" but that wouldn't have changed danny boy's mind. tomorrow you could ask a carrier pigeon to fly around the world with a feather engraved with a tiny message that said "hire guys hiddink" - danny bhoy will probably dip it in some ink and use it to sign the contract of the next person he has already been thinking of. then roast the pigeon.

the point i'm making is, he's a businessman then a spurs fan. he makes sure we stay afloat and sign some new deal with some company somewhere to keep us going - despite not having a shiny stadium that holds more people, despite every year missing out on CL football, this man seems to be thinking about how to try and make us a more successful team, perhaps so he can sell up and move onto his next project that is stem cell therapy for baldness. who knows. but he won't be listening to your letters, songs , farts or kisses. he is not santa.
 
SpursManChris

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Nocando said:
Doubt it. There's something very wrong at this club. The fans think they can be whingy and negative all the time and it wont affect anything - They are simply too stupid to realise. The club will get exactly what it deserves and that's another unsuccessful manager that can't get a thing right.

Enjoy what you've created.
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Who do you support? You that weird Liverpool fan who has posted 1000 times on another team forum?
 
nightgoat

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Stevie_ni2003 said:
Were there not reports he didn't want VDV. As for Modric, what were the club to do, tie him up in the changing rooms?? Sure Most people seem to think he had an amazing season anyhow without Modric. Really we had a season saved by the brilliance of Bale. Take away Bale and look what we have.
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Maybe. Although it's safe to assume Sigurdsson wasn't his signing and Dempsey appeared to be a panic buy. Depending on who or what you believe we could have had Moutinho for around the same price we got for Modric, only Levy haggled over half a million. Or he could even have had the balls to do what Dortmund have done with Lewandowski and taken the short term financial hit of a reduced future fee for the immediate benefit of the team. Although we all know how well a bag of cash can pass a ball, so...
 
npr60

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Rout-Ledge said:
And booing after losing 5-0 at home isn't exactly unheard of is it? Not is it pressuring a chairman to sack the manager.

When you've got placards being brandished and songs being sung loudly by large groups of support, then that's pressuring the chairman to sack the coach.
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Ñooo, someone boo'd, wtf! A stiff upper lip was called for and polite coughing........;)
 
Donki

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rez9000 said:
And that is precisely the point - that AVB was judged before he took the reins. That refusal - outright, petty, unreasoned, child-tantrum level refusal - is at least partly to blame for our current predicament.

My esteem to those who actually picked up the point - that during AVB's tenure, as a group we felt it more important to rail against the coach, to sow negativity and discord among the fans than to get behind the man.

And my pity for those of you who STILL. DON'T. GET. IT.

That for all your harping, all your complaining, all your booing, all your hatred, all your mindless armchair management opinions which are backed up with not one joy of actual, professional, experience, we're still in the shit.

You're all so keen to blame someone else - AVB, 'Arry, Adebayor, Levy... Don't you bear some of the fucking responsibility? When do you stand and get counted? When do you learn that all the shit you've been pouring out for the last 16 months has contributed to this miasmic shitstorm we're in right now? And that next time, instead of getting on the manager's back just cause he's not YOUR first choice, you actually support him - even if you think he's not the right man.

Pull your heads out of the sand, get behind the club (and for those who say 'I support the club, not the manager' - the manager is PART of the club, morons!) and stop grinding axes.

We cannot continue like this - it has to stop! I stopped posting on SC because I got tired of the constant sniping, the constant attacks on the manager, the players, the chairman. Not once did I see any of the snipers turn around and say, 'you know what? I bear some of the responsibility for this.'

No, no, no. It was always, 'I pay my money, I have a right to boo', or 'I can criticise all I want - I've been to the Lane 4 billion times'.

Guys, it has to stop. We are damaging ourselves and our club. I know I've gone on a bit of a screed-fest here, but I was trying to make a point, and I apologise for the fury and the ire. Whatever happens next, we have to come back together. We need to celebrate our commonality - our love for our club.

Regardless of income, colour, religion or gender, we are all the same in this one thing.

Please, for the love you have for your club, can we come back together? Can we stop the negativity, can we stop the sniping?

Whatever happens next, let's face it together - without having battle lines drawn. And that applies to all of us - we've all been guilty of vitriol and acting resentfully.

The time to stop is now.
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IMO more people were against the Harry appointment than AVBs? AVBs performances and lack of improvement is why people weren't happy IMO.
 
DFF

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I'm surprised @TaoistMonkey didn't delete this thread, as it goes against the tone of the coup d'état we apparently staged.
 
Donki

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Bus-Conductor said:
No, what I did was pour scorn on people saying that was a better performance than what had gone before. Why don't you go and revisit what I wrote during AVB's early games, or for that matter Sunday's.

Or you could read one of the posts I've made saying I was happy for Sherwood to given a go if no better options were found.

I open mindedly think that some stupid decisions were made tonight and we paid the price in game that became a mess. That is me open mindedly calling it as I saw it. If next game he makes good choices, we play with some degree of control and the performance is better, I'll say that too. And no doubt, you'll disagree.
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0-3 or 1-2 with all the turmoil prior to the match, I'd say IMO it was a better performance with a more make shift team.
 
Davo99

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tiger666 said:
Fucking hell you're great. Can I friend you on Facebook? You're like, a shining example to us all.

Except you're not are you, you're going on as though you've been our greatest fan ever and never slag off our players. Looking over some of your posts brings out

"Serious question: is Andros Townsend even good?"

"Dembele, Dawson and Naughton are just shocking"

"Dear Harry Redknapp,

Kindly fuck off. You're a boring old man who is no longer the manager of Tottenham Hotspur. Get over it you sad pathetic man. Just shut the fuck up - just once. Please. Fuck off.!

"I still cannot believe how much Dembele gets overrated by Spurs fans."

Everyone slags people off now and again. I do it myself, but don't strut about making out you're something special.
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Firstly, what does the Redknapp quote have to do with what I'm saying? Secondly, certain players aren't up to scratch. I asked people's opinions on Townsend, I don't think he's good enough and doubt he'll make it here. Same as Dawson, Dembele and Naughton. I don't think I'm something special. I have players I don't like too. But the point I'm making isn't about that, it's about the constant merry go round of managers. Because Dembele or Dawson are under performing I don't want the manager sacked. I'd rather he was given time to shape his team, replace the players who aren't up to it with players who could well be. Sacking the manager constantly because players are underperforming will get us absolutely nowhere. And it's the fans and power obsessed levy who I hold responsible for that. Daniel Levy doesn't need much persuading to sack a boss and set us back again so booing like fuck at the first signs of trouble is going to hound the boss out and it did. Levy has way too much say in what goes on he's the most well known chairman around. Whys that? Because he's sacking managers every five minutes and getting involved with the football side of things way too much. All AVB wanted from Levy was Moutinho. Every knows that and because It didn't make sense for Levy we didn't get him. What a fucking player he is and is exactly what we need. Instead we've got AVB sacked a whole bunch of players we are not even sure AVB wanted, a team in disarray and results to match. Let's all fucking boo Sherwood now he hasn't sorted out this great big mess and it's been what 72 hours. Bring back Harry then sack him for Jol and then hopefully we'll sack him too get 2 new directors of football and seven different managers and maybe then we'll start playing like Arsenal. Boooooo
 
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Donki said:
0-3 or 1-2 with all the turmoil prior to the match, I'd say IMO it was a better performance with a more make shift team.
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In the league game where we lost 3-0 I think (going on memory) we created 1 decent chance in the 90 minutes which was a Defoe just after half-time. I don't know how many decent chances we created tonight but it was quite a few, probably in most circumstances to have won the game.

West Ham only really got into when Ade come off.
 
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