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CowInAComa

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I was really pissed off with that yesterday. Not because we didn't win, but because we didn't give ourselves the best possible chance of doing so.

Sherwood is going to get time so we might as well all get fully behind him if we're not confident. He's going to need to learn very quickly or this could be a real shambles with many beatings on the cards. West Brom carved through us with ease a times yesterday and if he hasn't learnt from that God give us strength.

United away is a petrifying thought at the moment. Dembele had better be back for that.

Did you not think the Southampton performance was good? And scoreline aside we were good in the West Ham game.

Yesterday was a cause for concern, and a little naive, but at the end of the day we didnt lose, and we have some real heavyweight first teamers out. Surely we can at least assume that fit Sandro, Dembele or Paulinho would have started.
 

Spurs Lodge Kittens

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The thing i keep coming back to is why we've suddenly ditched the 4-2-3-1 - if as people have suggested, Sherwood & Ramsey were big advocates of it with the youth teams?

To me it looks like our squad has been constructed with this formation in mind. To then suddenly go to 4-4-2 doesn't suit an array of our players - notably Eriksen and Lamela (big money signings). We then don't pick our France international centre midfielder in the 4-4-2 when the formation desperately needs a holding midfielder?? It is this that makes me nervous about Sherwood. If he had such an influence at the club why is he so in the dark about a player like Capoue. I've watched every game Capoue has played for us and could see he's a talent in the middle of the park, but Sherwood doesn't play him because he knows Bentaleb better!!! So what rationale is he using with other players??!
 

DannySafer

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All this just highlights what a true world class player we had in Bale. We knew he was papering over the cracks but no one could have imagined that they were the size of a canyon. Its not even been six months since we sold him and look at the sorry state we are in. We really did sell Elvis. Unfortunately the replacements are looking more like the Communards then the Beatles.
 

Breezer

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Agree. Seems it just chuck as many attacking players in the team as possible and hope they an win us the game with little or no attacking or defending strategy.

Some academies Id agree with what you said mate but others really demonstrate how important modern methods are. I've been to some clubs who analyse every session and game and players have access to footage of every action they performed in training and matches. They are also told their physical performance stats and individual plans are developed for them.

Again the best performing academies are those who constantly and consistently produce first team players season in season out!

Like it or not, the game has become about more than just technical and tactical. We need a manager that understands this particularly now given the age and experience of most of our squad.
We do that at Spurs. Not sure about training sessions but definitely all matches at every age group are recorded and analysed.
 

Mr Pink

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Did you not think the Southampton performance was good? And scoreline aside we were good in the West Ham game.

Yesterday was a cause for concern, and a little naive, but at the end of the day we didnt lose, and we have some real heavyweight first teamers out. Surely we can at least assume that fit Sandro, Dembele or Paulinho would have started.

Yeah the second half against Southampton was very good IMO. As you say we do have significant injury problems at the moment, when we have a few those back things should improve - I just hope he intends to play Sandro et al, not overly confident he will mind.

Adebayor is so key though, playing that way we need him to work hard. We'll be a lot wiser in the coming weeks that's for sure
 

LiamJM10

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Yesterday was bizarre. I wouldn't say we were poor, but we didn't really deserve to win it either. West Brom had the best chances of the game in the opening half hour. Matej Vydra made a mug of Dawson and Vlad. The former too slow to spot an obvious 1-2. Credit though, he did get back to block the effort.

Everything was just too slow yesterday. West Brom's chances came from counter attacks allowing them to sit back and then get at us. We're not good enough at breaking teams down yet. I'm pleased with Eriksen starting (Free kick specialist too, yesterday wasn't fluke), but Holtby, Chadli and Sig were piss poor. Lamela only had 15 minutes. That was the bulk of our creativity yesterday. One in Eriksen who was playing deeper than usual, 3 who did very little all game, and one who only had a handful of minutes.

The best of our attacks came from Walker and notably Rose bombing on. Adebayor and Soldado were quiet too, never had a good chance between them.

Draw was a fair result yesterday (ref bottling Reid's sending off taken into account). Stoke have just conceded 5 to Newcastle, if we don't win at a canter and actually play well, it's going to be a long season.
 

CowInAComa

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Yeah the second half against Southampton was very good IMO. As you say we do have significant injury problems at the moment, when we have a few those back things should improve - I just hope he intends to play Sandro et al, not overly confident he will mind.

Adebayor is so key though, playing that way we need him to work hard. We'll be a lot wiser in the coming weeks that's for sure

Well we cant possibly know what he will do with a full set of midfielders at his disposal. Im willing to assume that Sandro gets in the first team.

What I do know is that yesterday was misjudged, which I am not too fussed about, I expect mistakes to be made, what is important is that we dont keep making the same mistakes.
 

Mr Pink

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Well we cant possibly know what he will do with a full set of midfielders at his disposal. Im willing to assume that Sandro gets in the first team.

What I do know is that yesterday was misjudged, which I am not too fussed about, I expect mistakes to be made, what is important is that we dont keep making the same mistakes.

Very odd that he didn't use Capoue though.
 

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I'd say there's a pretty decent chance that Capoue is being saved for the matches against Utd and Arsenal and possibly even Stoke.
 

CowInAComa

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Very odd that he didn't use Capoue though.

Yes, and that he has been overlooked for Bentaleb in the subs. I dont get that one either.

That said, I think he underestimated the intent of West Brom and assumed a two banks of 4 playing for a draw outfit, with us pressing high up the pitch and dominating possession.

What we got was a West Brom side out to have a go at us and a number of our players having pretty shocking personal performances. Lesson of the day is not to assume the other team will play how you want them to.

A mistake we got away with. And that we should all hope we dont see made again.
 

thinktank

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Very odd that he didn't use Capoue though.
It was a statement to show he knows his shit when it comes to what he's specialised in here - youth. He wanted to make a point and bring something impactful to the table and show his skillz at player development/spotting, as he's insecure about not being officially qualified to actually manage.

That's the conclusion I've reached.

*love bentaleb though....
 

voxy28

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Arent his subs actually pretty good though?

He could have gotten Siggy off and play Lamela right and Chadli left..... and Bentelab in for Holtby has not much impact. In fact, I thought Bentelab doesn't track back to help out the defence....

Ade was like running out of steam but TS kept him there hoping for a miracle. With the squad he had, he could have gone 433 optimising the squad at his disposal. However he kept his 442 with limited options.
 

Yid1987

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We do that at Spurs. Not sure about training sessions but definitely all matches at every age group are recorded and analysed.

I know they are analysed mate . The degree to which they analyse I'm not sure but would be interested to know - do they analyse the team or each individuals actions. The latter is the important one as it gives specifics to each player not just team performance.
 

voxy28

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It was a statement to show he knows his shit when it comes to what he's specialised in here - youth. He wanted to make a point and bring something impactful to the table and show his skillz at player development/spotting, as he's insecure about not being officially qualified to actually manage.

That's the conclusion I've reached.

And playing Ade when he clearly out of breath..... its ego imo. He and Les look so helpless in the last 10min.
 

Alfieconnman

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The thing i keep coming back to is why we've suddenly ditched the 4-2-3-1 - if as people have suggested, Sherwood & Ramsey were big advocates of it with the youth teams?

To me it looks like our squad has been constructed with this formation in mind. To then suddenly go to 4-4-2 doesn't suit an array of our players - notably Eriksen and Lamela (big money signings). We then don't pick our France international centre midfielder in the 4-4-2 when the formation desperately needs a holding midfielder?? It is this that makes me nervous about Sherwood. If he had such an influence at the club why is he so in the dark about a player like Capoue. I've watched every game Capoue has played for us and could see he's a talent in the middle of the park, but Sherwood doesn't play him because he knows Bentaleb better!!! So what rationale is he using with other players??!

This may have been the intention but, if so, it is very much unfinished business. The only striker we have who is equipped to perform the lone striker role is Ade. Soldado is clearly a striker who is more comfortable with a partner alongside him and Defoe (although he is probably off anyway) also needs a strike partner. Accordingly we are almost obliged to fall back to a 4-4-2 formation unless we put all our faith in a fully fit Ade (which is risky) and abandon Soldado. Additionally the "gung-ho" aggressive tactics which TS seems to favour is better served with two up front. I really have to question the wisdom of our transfer market activity in the summer as we now are over supplied in some areas but really short in others. At the risk if being a jeremiah I am starting to think that top ten is the best we can hope for.
 

SteveH

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He could have gotten Siggy off and play Lamela right and Chadli left..... and Bentelab in for Holtby has not much impact. In fact, I thought Bentelab doesn't track back to help out the defence....

Ade was like running out of steam but TS kept him there hoping for a miracle. With the squad he had, he could have gone 433 optimising the squad at his disposal. However he kept his 442 with limited options.

This.

I don't see why Holtby & Eriksen would ever be a midfield pair.
 

Breezer

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I know they are analysed mate . The degree to which they analyse I'm not sure but would be interested to know - do they analyse the team or each individuals actions. The latter is the important one as it gives specifics to each player not just team performance.
Without asking I couldn't answer that question. We definitely look at team shape and how we move the ball from back to front. We also show players mistake made during the game and what passage of play would have been better etc. I'm not sure if individual actions are analysed.
 

Breezer

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He could have gotten Siggy off and play Lamela right and Chadli left..... and Bentelab in for Holtby has not much impact. In fact, I thought Bentelab doesn't track back to help out the defence....

Ade was like running out of steam but TS kept him there hoping for a miracle. With the squad he had, he could have gone 433 optimising the squad at his disposal. However he kept his 442 with limited options.
He moved Chadli to the left for 2 mins. Chadli made a good run and was awarded with a corner. He was then subbed off.
 

Spurs Lodge Kittens

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This may have been the intention but, if so, it is very much unfinished business. The only striker we have who is equipped to perform the lone striker role is Ade. Soldado is clearly a striker who is more comfortable with a partner alongside him and Defoe (although he is probably off anyway) also needs a strike partner. Accordingly we are almost obliged to fall back to a 4-4-2 formation unless we put all our faith in a fully fit Ade (which is risky) and abandon Soldado. Additionally the "gung-ho" aggressive tactics which TS seems to favour is better served with two up front. I really have to question the wisdom of our transfer market activity in the summer as we now are over supplied in some areas but really short in others. At the risk if being a jeremiah I am starting to think that top ten is the best we can hope for.
See i take your point - but i think Soldado would be fine in a 4-2-3-1 (4-3-3) that played with a bit of intensity and pace. The problem he's had all season is that by the time the ball got to him the other team had 10 men behind the ball.

The idea i would have thought was the wide players/forwards create the chances and Soldado is simply there to finish those chances from within the box. The problem though was that we took so darn long to get the ball near the area that our attacks invariably constituted a pot shot from 25 yards.

Soldado can work up top on his own. We just need the right intensity/game plan to make it happen
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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This may have been the intention but, if so, it is very much unfinished business. The only striker we have who is equipped to perform the lone striker role is Ade. Soldado is clearly a striker who is more comfortable with a partner alongside him and Defoe (although he is probably off anyway) also needs a strike partner. Accordingly we are almost obliged to fall back to a 4-4-2 formation unless we put all our faith in a fully fit Ade (which is risky) and abandon Soldado. Additionally the "gung-ho" aggressive tactics which TS seems to favour is better served with two up front. I really have to question the wisdom of our transfer market activity in the summer as we now are over supplied in some areas but really short in others. At the risk if being a jeremiah I am starting to think that top ten is the best we can hope for.

I disagree. Apart from left back I think our squad is perfectly balanced for a team that plays 4231 or 433. The formation AVB intended to utilize.
 
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