dannythomas
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I don't think there is any other player out there who goes round 360 without progressing forward or back. Parker is unique.
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I don't think there is any other player out there who goes round 360 without progressing forward or back. Parker is unique.
Jack2
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I have to disagree with Soldado, I think he has shown a lot of passion in many many games. Propably it's not passion for the club (there's not many players who have this these days IMO), but passion for football. Just remembering some of his very passionate celebrations when we have scored even he hasn't. I for one am disappointed with his form, but on the other hand we have not played for his strenghts at all, especially under AVB. After Tim was appointed he played IMO very well something like 4-5 games. Yes he should have scored, but he was the one who created something. Then he had one bad game and was dropped until yesterday. Didn't see the game, but what I've read it wasn't anyway near his best.
Unfortunately he seems to be yet another good footballer that seems to turn to an average one in Spurs. But IMO he has the passion. And propably I'm the only one, but I want him to stay, because I believe he will eventually come good for us. Unfortunately he propably wants to leave to a team where he fits better and/or to a team which knows better how to get the best out of him.
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Surely the fact that we had to come back from losing positions in so many matches and against lower teams suggests that there is a lack of passion in the first place and they needed something (such as going down a goal) to show any sort of fight or desire.
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Care to elaborate?
CosmicHotspur
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If you ask Jimmy Greaves, Cliff Jones and other footballers or managers from what is now a bygone era, they will tell you about passion for football, as would Bill Nicholson if he was still around.
For passion, read love because there were managers and players who loved football and lived for it but that is rarely the case now. It revolves around money: playing for a winning side that can win trophies and medals means a lot of extras through sponsorship and advertising and footballers at that level are now superstars with the lifestyle to support who don't always feel any loyalty for the shirt they don. They are no longer just local heroes with a specific talent who earn a few extra bob a week than other men or drive modest family cars or even go by public transport to play on a Saturday, mixing with and chatting with the fans on their way there and after the game.
Being out of touch with supporters means losing touch with the love of and passion for the club who is paying those ridiculously over-inflated wages.
For passion, read love because there were managers and players who loved football and lived for it but that is rarely the case now. It revolves around money: playing for a winning side that can win trophies and medals means a lot of extras through sponsorship and advertising and footballers at that level are now superstars with the lifestyle to support who don't always feel any loyalty for the shirt they don. They are no longer just local heroes with a specific talent who earn a few extra bob a week than other men or drive modest family cars or even go by public transport to play on a Saturday, mixing with and chatting with the fans on their way there and after the game.
Being out of touch with supporters means losing touch with the love of and passion for the club who is paying those ridiculously over-inflated wages.
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We lack personalities full stop, it's like a team of clones
SteveH
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This subject is such a cliche.
CosmicHotspur
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Many of them are mercenaries too, sadly.
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Why?
SlunkSoma
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Interesting point. I definitely think it is something that seems to be lacking in the main. The way Walker celebrated a goal against Southampton I think stood out for its passion. Maybe it's just football in general is becoming less live or die for players, I dunno. VDV was pumped up due to our reception. Maybe this season we haven't bee able to give that one player the leg up due to the number of new faces. But saying that there doesn't seem to be many big characters at the moment. Maybe it will come in time.
chavkev
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That is our main problem. In some ways it is the problem of just about every other team in the league apart from Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd and to some extent Arsenal and Liverpool.
We are not the end destination for a player. Playing football is a job and all the players will look to bettering themselves in their job. The ones who stay at Spurs tend to be the ones who are not good enough (Lennon, Dawson, Defoe) for the bigger clubs, but do enough to justify their position at Tottenham.
We are in the tier below the top sides. Happily geography and finances mean that we can compete for some very good players and often usurp sides like Liverpool for talent. This does make it imperative that we make better decisions as a club, because from the moment players like Lloris, Vertonghen etc come to the club, the clock is ticking.
We the fans have to be loyal to Spurs as it is in our blood. Employees of the football club on the other hand will always look to do what suits them best.
SpursManChris
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I rated your post "optomistic" because you seem to think that a club can form a roster filled with loyal players who play for the badge. Well I've got news for you. That's just not possible. I’ve summarised your post.
I’m really not sure there would be too many players who are “honoured” to play for any club. In all honestly, they’re hardly likely to give a flying fuck half the time. They get paid to play football. It seems like you are judging the players passion levels from the way they express themselves during goal celebrations. Is this all? Kissing badges and kissing pensioners doesn’t mean a player has the club at the core of their heart, it just means that that’s how they express themselves, in a highly emotive way. VDV may have kissed the badge and a pensioner, but hang on, he left! He didn’t want to play for us anymore. It's even in your post, so it's not as if you're deluded! Is he really going to be your poster boy for passion? The days of playing for the shirt are over. My father reminds me of that all the time.
I’m really not sure there would be too many players who are “honoured” to play for any club. In all honestly, they’re hardly likely to give a flying fuck half the time. They get paid to play football. It seems like you are judging the players passion levels from the way they express themselves during goal celebrations. Is this all? Kissing badges and kissing pensioners doesn’t mean a player has the club at the core of their heart, it just means that that’s how they express themselves, in a highly emotive way. VDV may have kissed the badge and a pensioner, but hang on, he left! He didn’t want to play for us anymore. It's even in your post, so it's not as if you're deluded! Is he really going to be your poster boy for passion? The days of playing for the shirt are over. My father reminds me of that all the time.
wizgell
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Unfortunately this part of the game today, and the romantic views of day one by aren't going to change that. Football is now a multi billion pound business for all involved and that won't go away. The 'lack of passion' from players could be said for the thousands of 'supporters' who turn up to the Lane to do everything but support the team. Players are expected to play for the shirt, the club and the supporters but when they are playing in front of their own supporters who seem to criticise their every move and get on their backs as soon as a result goes against them, who can blame them for not feeling that connection?
I've only had my season ticket for 10 years or so but the drastic change in football as a whole since then is alarming! We had a squad of players (Robbo,Ledley, Keane, Defoe etc) who genuinely cared coupled with some of the best home support in the country. This resulted in pretty formidable home form.
Now look, we have a squad being accused of not caring, a god awful, and often toxic (I've never seen so many arguments amongst our own as I have this season) atmosphere most of the time and a team that plays heaps better on the road.
It may be a bit of a chicken and the egg situation but for me the club and it's supporters will always be ther whilst players come and go. Until the supporters start showing genuine passion for the club (and moaning doesn't count) the players can't really be expected to give as much of a f*** as we want them to.
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When people say stuff like I'd rather have rubbish players who care than talented players who want to chill in Barbados (cant blame em, as a half bajan) that is clearly a load of bull. Don't mean to be rude to the OP as I know his heart is in the right place, but the evidence against that statement is all over this forum.
Where does club attachment and passion come from? Having roots in a club - whether that be support, development or longevity.
Dawson - 9 years at the club, current longest serving. Loves it, bleeds blue, not the most talented but looks genuinely torn apart when we lose. He gets slagged off
Lennon - Second longest serving. He was there during the 4-4 against Arsenal, scored against Chelsea, loves the club. Get's slagged off
Walker - one of the very few who show 100% each and every game. Maybe not the greatest football brain, but I've seen him develop well here. Clearly cares a great deal e.g. his celebration when he scored against Arsenal. Always does things with Spurs TV also gets slagged off.
Townsend - Spurs fan. Fellow yid. Come through the academy. Tries his hardest for the team. Knows how we all feel, carried on playing after being unconscious and hurting his arm. Always trying to create something; has his faults, but because he takes a lot of shots, gets slagged off.
Livermore - Do I need to write anything. Spurs fan, come through the academy.I have always thought him a very decent and promising player. Doesn't deserve anywhere near the amount of stick he gets. Doing well at Hull, but what an absolutely embarrassing meltdown this site went into when we thought he was being brought back from his loan. This is the same player that when asked about how it felt scoring against the best team in the world (Barcelona). He responds with "scored against? I play for them!". Is that the passion we want? Apparently we would rather have rubbish players playing than good players who don't care.Well go back to the Livermore thread when we thought he was gonna get played instead of, Capoue who has been here 6 months, and tell me if that rings true.
And lastly off the top of my head our newest and youngest
Bentaleb - Personally I have always rated him. I'm one of the ones who can appreciate what he does. He earned his starts against Arsenal and Man City by the fact that he had played as well or better than anyone else in his previous games. He was also not responsible for those losses despite what some people may say. He was rejected by 2 clubs from his own country and one here. We took a chance and he is now grateful to be playing for us. He wants to play, to show what he can do. He wants to impress the same fans, that cry out they want passion and youngsters to be given a chance, only to then make em a scapegoat and cite their lack of experience (duh!!!), when they do play. Once again they cry that Capoue and Holtby don't get a chance instead of him. Capoue in his latest interview implied he expects to be picked and if not it's due to a lack of knowledge in foreign players. Despite Bentaleb being foreign anyway, it could be because he works his ass off which has been mentioned by quite a few people behind the scenes. Want passion how about this from our 19yo?
I can list a load of players who are probably more talented and get far less stick than these guys on SC. Sandro is arguably the only one that can unanimously match ability and passion.
Even Tim Sherwood. We know he's an arsenal fan yadi yadi yah. He has played for us, he has been at this club for 6 years helping turn our academy into one of the best in Europe. He has helped develop alot of these youngsters and he knows and trusts them. He is giving them a chance because he knowss how hungry and passionate they are. He also wants to succeed but when he drops our fancy dans and tries to play 'the Spurs Way' he get's slagged off too and called Dim. Our own mananger, who wants to succeed, just starting out in management who has been promoted from within isn't even given a chance. I'm in my 20s but weren't Burkinshaw and Nicholson promoted within. Give Sherwood a chance.
Now personally I don't mind people having a go at these players or manager, and rating our other players more etc, as it is part and parcel of debating with football fans. But I just find it frustrating, when I see comments about wanting players who care even though they might not be the best, and everyone agreeing yet everything on this site says to the contrary. Any match day thread or any thread for that matter and you will see at least one of these guys getting stick, and these are players that care the most. COYS
Where does club attachment and passion come from? Having roots in a club - whether that be support, development or longevity.
Dawson - 9 years at the club, current longest serving. Loves it, bleeds blue, not the most talented but looks genuinely torn apart when we lose. He gets slagged off
Lennon - Second longest serving. He was there during the 4-4 against Arsenal, scored against Chelsea, loves the club. Get's slagged off
Walker - one of the very few who show 100% each and every game. Maybe not the greatest football brain, but I've seen him develop well here. Clearly cares a great deal e.g. his celebration when he scored against Arsenal. Always does things with Spurs TV also gets slagged off.
Townsend - Spurs fan. Fellow yid. Come through the academy. Tries his hardest for the team. Knows how we all feel, carried on playing after being unconscious and hurting his arm. Always trying to create something; has his faults, but because he takes a lot of shots, gets slagged off.
Livermore - Do I need to write anything. Spurs fan, come through the academy.I have always thought him a very decent and promising player. Doesn't deserve anywhere near the amount of stick he gets. Doing well at Hull, but what an absolutely embarrassing meltdown this site went into when we thought he was being brought back from his loan. This is the same player that when asked about how it felt scoring against the best team in the world (Barcelona). He responds with "scored against? I play for them!". Is that the passion we want? Apparently we would rather have rubbish players playing than good players who don't care.Well go back to the Livermore thread when we thought he was gonna get played instead of, Capoue who has been here 6 months, and tell me if that rings true.
And lastly off the top of my head our newest and youngest
Bentaleb - Personally I have always rated him. I'm one of the ones who can appreciate what he does. He earned his starts against Arsenal and Man City by the fact that he had played as well or better than anyone else in his previous games. He was also not responsible for those losses despite what some people may say. He was rejected by 2 clubs from his own country and one here. We took a chance and he is now grateful to be playing for us. He wants to play, to show what he can do. He wants to impress the same fans, that cry out they want passion and youngsters to be given a chance, only to then make em a scapegoat and cite their lack of experience (duh!!!), when they do play. Once again they cry that Capoue and Holtby don't get a chance instead of him. Capoue in his latest interview implied he expects to be picked and if not it's due to a lack of knowledge in foreign players. Despite Bentaleb being foreign anyway, it could be because he works his ass off which has been mentioned by quite a few people behind the scenes. Want passion how about this from our 19yo?
I can list a load of players who are probably more talented and get far less stick than these guys on SC. Sandro is arguably the only one that can unanimously match ability and passion.
Even Tim Sherwood. We know he's an arsenal fan yadi yadi yah. He has played for us, he has been at this club for 6 years helping turn our academy into one of the best in Europe. He has helped develop alot of these youngsters and he knows and trusts them. He is giving them a chance because he knowss how hungry and passionate they are. He also wants to succeed but when he drops our fancy dans and tries to play 'the Spurs Way' he get's slagged off too and called Dim. Our own mananger, who wants to succeed, just starting out in management who has been promoted from within isn't even given a chance. I'm in my 20s but weren't Burkinshaw and Nicholson promoted within. Give Sherwood a chance.
Now personally I don't mind people having a go at these players or manager, and rating our other players more etc, as it is part and parcel of debating with football fans. But I just find it frustrating, when I see comments about wanting players who care even though they might not be the best, and everyone agreeing yet everything on this site says to the contrary. Any match day thread or any thread for that matter and you will see at least one of these guys getting stick, and these are players that care the most. COYS
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dannythomas
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Btw Cosmic I am sure you read the Alan Gilzean biography which I just read on the plane. It really is a great read with so much insight into not just Gillie but also Greaves, Chivers, Mackay, Perryman and of course Bill Nick. I enjoyed it from start to finish. Great chapter comparing him to Berbatov with the conclusion from so many that they had many similarities but Gilzean was superior in so many ways. Great read !
Hoddle&Waddle
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Simply the most brilliant post I've seen on this Forum.When people say stuff like I'd rather have rubbish players who care than talented players who want to chill in Barbados (cant blame em, as a half bajan) that is clearly a load of bull. Don't mean to be rude to the OP as I know his heart is in the right place, but the evidence against that statement is all over this forum.
Where does club attachment and passion come from? Having roots in a club - whether that be support, development or longevity.
Dawson - 9 years at the club, current longest serving. Loves it, bleeds blue, not the most talented but looks genuinely torn apart when we lose. He gets slagged off
Lennon - Second longest serving. He was there during the 4-4 against Arsenal, scored against Chelsea, loves the club. Get's slagged off
Walker - one of the very few who show 100% each and every game. Maybe not the greatest football brain, but I've seen him develop well here. Clearly cares a great deal e.g. his celebration when he scored against Arsenal. Always does things with Spurs TV also gets slagged off.
Townsend - Spurs fan. Fellow yid. Come through the academy. Tries his hardest for the team. Knows how we all feel, carried on playing after being unconscious and hurting his arm. Always trying to create something; has his faults, but because he takes a lot of shots, gets slagged off.
Livermore - Do I need to write anything. Spurs fan, come through the academy.I have always thought him a very decent and promising player. Doesn't deserve anywhere near the amount of stick he gets. Doing well at Hull, but what an absolutely embarrassing meltdown this site went into when we thought he was being brought back from his loan. This is the same player that when asked about how it felt scoring against the best team in the world (Barcelona). He responds with "scored against? I play for them!". Is that the passion we want? Apparently we would rather have rubbish players playing than good players who don't care.Well go back to the Livermore thread when we thought he was gonna get played instead of, Capoue who has been here 6 months, and tell me if that rings true.
And lastly off the top of my head our newest and youngest
Bentaleb - Personally I have always rated him. I'm one of the ones who can appreciate what he does. He earned his starts against Arsenal and Man City by the fact that he had played as well or better than anyone else in his previous games. He was also not responsible for those losses despite what some people may say. He was rejected by 2 clubs from his own country and one here. We took a chance and he is now grateful to be playing for us. He wants to play, to show what he can do. He wants to impress the same fans, that cry out they want passion and youngsters to be given a chance, only to then make em a scapegoat and cite their lack of experience (duh!!!), when they do play. Once again they cry that Capoue and Holtby don't get a chance instead of him. Capoue in his latest interview implied he expects to be picked and if not it's due to a lack of knowledge in foreign players. Despite Bentaleb being foreign anyway, it could be because he works his ass off which has been mentioned by quite a few people behind the scenes. Want passion how about this from our 19yo?
I can list a load of players who are probably more talented and get far less stick than these guys on SC. Sandro is arguably the only one that can unanimously match ability and passion.
Even Tim Sherwood. We know he's an arsenal fan yadi yadi yah. He has played for us, he has been at this club for 6 years helping turn our academy into one of the best in Europe. He has helped develop alot of these youngsters and he knows and trusts them. He is giving them a chance because he knowss how hungry and passionate they are. He also wants to succeed but when he drops our fancy dans and tries to play 'the Spurs Way' he get's slagged off too and called Dim. Our own mananger, who wants to succeed, just starting out in management who has been promoted from within isn't even given a chance. I'm in my 20s but weren't Burkinshaw and Nicholson promoted within. Give Sherwood a chance.
Now personally I don't mind people having a go at these players or manager, and rating our other players more etc, as it is part and parcel of debating with football fans. But I just find it frustrating, when I see comments about wanting players who care even though they might not be the best, and everyone agreeing yet everything on this site says to the contrary. Any match day thread or any thread for that matter and you will see at least one of these guys getting stick, and these are players that care the most. COYS
THFCSPURS19
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Christ almighty
SpursManChris
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I just love how VDV is your poster boy for passion. The man left us. You know this.
