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talkshowhost86

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Fair enough, I see a big difference in it, but I don't expect everyone to share my opinion. A better flag to have in the stadium would read, 'football for all' or something to those effects, therefore not singling out any certain part of the community.

Again I agree with the sentiment in a perfect world, but the point is to highlight the fact homophobia is still an issue, and a blanket 'football for all' slogan wouldn't really do that.

I suppose it would be a bit like saying the 'kick racism out of football' campaign should be criticised for focusing just on racism, and I don't think any of us would agree with that.
 

Kendall

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I'm pretty sure that's just you.

And if you want to fly a flag saying 'I'm Kendall and I'm proud' then I'll fully support you.
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Blackcanary

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Do you think that the bigger problem might be just that attitude that you describe, but in the dressing room?

It's probably both, i'd say. Football seems to be one of the last bastions of some pretty unacceptable views, probably because it's such a closed shop in terms of gender. But we used to have a widespread racism problem and that's improved so...maybe change can happen?

It would be devastating as a young player if you came out to your team mates and they behaved badly but likewise, I think you'd have to be pretty strong-minded and confident not to be affected if you were slurs cast at you from a crowd of thousands.
 

Gb160

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Well I'm looking forward to the day when the teams walk out to the Pet Shop Boys blaring out over the tannoy...I'm getting kinda bored with that Star Wars thing.
 

ARMASPUR

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Again I agree with the sentiment in a perfect world, but the point is to highlight the fact homophobia is still an issue, and a blanket 'football for all' slogan wouldn't really do that.

I suppose it would be a bit like saying the 'kick racism out of football' campaign should be criticised for focusing just on racism, and I don't think any of us would agree with that.

I don't agree with racism or homophobia and I'm not getting pulled into that argument. All I'm saying is, IMO I don't like the idea of the flag inside the stadium and I won't be swayed on that notion. We just have a different opinion of this, I'm not saying mine is right and I'm not trying to prove yours as wrong.
 

talkshowhost86

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I don't agree with racism or homophobia and I'm not getting pulled into that argument. All I'm saying is, IMO I don't like the idea of the flag inside the stadium and I won't be swayed on that notion. We just have a different opinion of this, I'm not saying mine is right and I'm not trying to prove yours as wrong.

I'm not saying you're homophobic or racist, and sorry if that was the implication.

I just don't really understand your objection to the flag, but fair enough. Friendsies.
 

txspurs

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Why should you be proud of something you can't control? I've never gotten that.

I'm no more proud to be straight than I am proud to be English, proud to be white or proud to be male. I'm not proud of anything bestowed upon me by chance/science/circumstance.

You're focusing on the wrong thing. It's not about pride. It's about not being ashamed, it's about acceptance. Most importantly is acceptance of self.

I don't agree with racism or homophobia and I'm not getting pulled into that argument. All I'm saying is, IMO I don't like the idea of the flag inside the stadium and I won't be swayed on that notion. We just have a different opinion of this, I'm not saying mine is right and I'm not trying to prove yours as wrong.

It's just another supporters group. It's just like seeing the USA Spurs/Hong Kong Spurs flags etc etc
 

ARMASPUR

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You're focusing on the wrong thing. It's not about pride. It's about not being ashamed, it's about acceptance. Most importantly is acceptance of self.



It's just another supporters group. It's just like seeing the USA Spurs/Hong Kong Spurs flags etc etc

I'm sorry but I don't see it like that, as I've said though this is my opinion and you are welcome to your own. It's the same to you, it's not the same to me.
 

Geyzer Soze

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You're focusing on the wrong thing. It's not about pride. It's about not being ashamed, it's about acceptance. Most importantly is acceptance of self.



It's just another supporters group. It's just like seeing the USA Spurs/Hong Kong Spurs flags etc etc
Except that the differentiator is their sexuality not their location, so not just like at all imo.

what differentiators constitute grounds for a supporters group i wonder?
 

talkshowhost86

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Except that the differentiator is their sexuality not their location, so not just like at all imo.

what differentiators constitute grounds for a supporters group i wonder?

I might try and set up a 'I once quite liked Jenas' supporters group.

We are a persecuted minority.

Arguably correctly so...but still persecuted.
 

txspurs

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Except that the differentiator is their sexuality not their location, so not just like at all imo.

what differentiators constitute grounds for a supporters group i wonder?

True, in that respect the group is more inclusive than exclusive. Anyone from anywhere that supports Spurs and also supports equality. I think the fact that a flag has sparked this debate is very telling. I would also say that this is very similar to the co-opting of the word Yids.
 

StanSpur

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All of our supporters should be treated as equals as they are all human beings, but I don't see a football ground as a place to fly a gay flag or whatever, it has nothing to do with football at all. Sexuality, like religion should have no place in football imo. Everyone in the stadium should have one thing in common, a love for football, and it should be left at that.

Its not about waving flags though its about creating an environment that encourages all of our supporters to enjoy seeing Spurs live no matter what their sexuality or religion etc. The truth is there is still a very aggresive element within the supporter groups and with that gives the impression at least that certain people will not be welcome. I hope the club being in support of our gay fans will make those that were uncomfortable attending more at home at the Lane. Like you said all fans should be treated equally but we must make all fans feel welcome to attend in the first place so that they can SEE that they will be treated equally.
 

AB27

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I sincerely hope one day we'll all live in the post-race, post-religion, post-sexuality utopia where everybody is treated equally and there's no need to display flags for often-persecuted minority groups in the stadium.

Until that day though...keep them flying proudly!
 

BuryMeInEngland

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If the flag was taken down because of that, isn't that bowing to the bullying of those neanderthals?
No, that's not what I'm suggesting. Even more reason to fly it high and for the club and the authorities to move against those teams with those supporters.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
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Funnily enough I noticed the rainbow flag for the first time on Sunday, has it been there before? Anyway I noticed it and thought "hmm I wonder if thats a gay thing", I spent about as much time thinking about it as you spent reading the eight words saying what I thought so I figure it surely can't be much of a problem.
The bottom line I guess, is that Homosexuality was always unaccepted and therefore, by necessity, invisible so raising visibility is important, it effectively stakes its claim to acceptability and equality, good luck to the group and fair play to the club.
 
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