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Has the Captaincy issue damaged MmmPoch?

Bus-Conductor

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Its a sequence of problems.

Firstly we should of been buying a top quality CB over the summer. We tried and failed, but we should of gone for another quality CB instead of dropping down the ladder of quality so to speak. And this all should of happened much earlier in the window.

It was something we were crying out for, and I thought the whole point of off loading Dawson was that we were in for a serious upgrade in that position.

So had we acquired a top class CB, who should be partnering Vertonghen, how on earth would Kaboul have made captain?

It all stemmed from there IMO.

Just one fuck up after another. Kaboul should never of been a serious candidate for the captaincy had we gone about our recruitment properly.

The implications of not getting in a much better CB to partner Vertonghen are huge. Not to mention the inexplicable handling of the latter at present.

To be honest I'm just lost for words, but not surprised that our transfer dealings have once again come back to bite us in a big way.

When will Levy learn. Understands the price of everything and the value of nothing in terms of the teams needs.

And this is coming from someone who has been very pro Levy.


I completely agree with the first few lines. But it's not always about Levy and value. I'm pretty sure Fazio was on Pochettino's list (Argentinian he would know well from his time in Spain) and was probably more Levy trying to get Pochettino his second choice - I'm pretty sure Levy would have happily stck with Dawson rather than pay for Fazio. Again, I'm sure that was down to Pochettino wanting shot.

Unless you know different - and I'm sure you don't - then it's not fair to blame it on Levy.
 

nedley

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Its a sequence of problems.

Firstly we should of been buying a top quality CB over the summer. We tried and failed, but we should of gone for another quality CB instead of dropping down the ladder of quality so to speak. And this all should of happened much earlier in the window.

It was something we were crying out for, and I thought the whole point of off loading Dawson was that we were in for a serious upgrade in that position.

So had we acquired a top class CB, who should be partnering Vertonghen, how on earth would Kaboul have made captain?

It all stemmed from there IMO.

Just one fuck up after another. Kaboul should never of been a serious candidate for the captaincy had we gone about our recruitment properly.

The implications of not getting in a much better CB to partner Vertonghen are huge. Not to mention the inexplicable handling of the latter at present.

To be honest I'm just lost for words, but not surprised that our transfer dealings have once again come back to bite us in a big way.

When will Levy learn. Understands the price of everything and the value of nothing in terms of the teams needs.

And this is coming from someone who has been very pro Levy.

It's quite simply time for him to go.

Enough is enough.
 

ClintEastwould

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Lloris should have been captain with Walker and Kaboul as vice. Adebayor as vice is an utterly shocking decision.
 

Mr Pink

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I completely agree with the first few lines. But it's not always about Levy and value. I'm pretty sure Fazio was on Pochettino's list (Argentinian he would know well from his time in Spain) and was probably more Levy trying to get Pochettino his second choice - I'm pretty sure Levy would have happily stck with Dawson rather than pay for Fazio. Again, I'm sure that was down to Pochettino wanting shot.

Unless you know different - and I'm sure you don't - then it's not fair to blame it on Levy.

But maybe Fazio was a complete last resort on Poch's list? Perhaps others were touted? We don't know.

Perhaps Poch reluctantly opted for him?

I'm not blaming it all on Levy but we've been here before. I would say a top quality CB was of paramount importance.
 

alfiespurs

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Do Spurs have a CAPTAIN - the last one I knew was DAWSON- was not everyones cup of tea - but better then these muppets
 

Strikeb4ck

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I think he is a good captain.
He buzzes around the refs respectfully and I think he influences them.
And when anything starts to kick off, he breaks it up and no-one messes with him. No-one.
The problem is that he is not a very good CB.
I'd play him at RB - he likes to have a gallop up field.
This pretty much. The problem is not Kaboul's leadership at captain. He does that job fine. The problem is that he looks like a non-league reserve CB this season (bar one game vs Arsenal).
 

penfold_99

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Poch can sort the issue, drop kaboul and give the captaincy to lloris, If he didn't want to admit he was wrong a studs up challenge on kaboul in training would fix things.

Can well sell kaboul to Pompey again and buy him back again when he's remember how to be a defender?
 

Bus-Conductor

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But maybe Fazio was a complete last resort on Poch's list? Perhaps others were touted? We don't know.

Perhaps Poch reluctantly opted for him?

I'm not blaming it all on Levy but we've been here before. I would say a top quality CB was of paramount importance.


I agree, but we also know the problems in buying top quality for a club like us. Loveren cost 20+ million, and I wouldn't exactly say he's top class, he was pony against us twice last year and hasn't exactly been great this season so far.

Top quality CB's are rarer than top quality strikers. There's only about a handful out of the 40 that play week in week out in the EPL. If that.
 

Mr Pink

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I agree, but we also know the problems in buying top quality for a club like us. Loveren cost 20+ million, and I wouldn't exactly say he's top class, he was pony against us twice last year and hasn't exactly been great this season so far.

Top quality CB's are rarer than top quality strikers. There's only about a handful out of the 40 that play week in week out in the EPL. If that.

Yeah for sure, not easy to get a top class one.But surely you would think there were some better choices out there?

Fazio just seems such an odd choice particularly when we're playing with a high line most of the time. Not saying you need a rapid CB, arn't many of them anyway, but one who looks so slow on the turn...

I just find some of the decisions baffling. Its like there's little connection between the players we're buying to the way we want to play. Maybe slight exaggeration there, but you take the point,

Doesn't help that we've been changing managers at a healthy rate I guess.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Yeah for sure, not easy to get a top class one.But surely you would think there were some better choices out there?

Fazio just seems such an odd choice particularly when we're playing with a high line most of the time. Not saying you need a rapid CB, arn't many of them anyway, but one who looks so slow on the turn...

I just find some of the decisions baffling. Its like there's little connection between the players we're buying to the way we want to play. Maybe slight exaggeration there, but you take the point,

Doesn't help that we've been changing managers at a healthy rate I guess.

I agree about Fazio, not impressed so far, although he did win the Europa League last season and finish 4th in the Spanish Championship. You'd hope there was something there worth signing.
 

piedpiper

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I agree about Fazio, not impressed so far, although he did win the Europa League last season and finish 4th in the Spanish Championship. You'd hope there was something there worth signing.

sure he looks suspect but have all the posters spouting half the nonsense just considered that he has come to a new league which is far more physical than the league he came from? give him time to adapt to our league and time to adapt his game and then only should we make a true judgment on his ability. we have played what 11 PL games and he has featured in about 3-4 games I think. also defenders are far more exposed or their errors highlighted as this often leads to goal scoring opportunities whereas mistakes by a forward or central midfielder goes by without much fuss.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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For Pochettino, making Kaboul our captain and Adebayor our vice captain were the first seeds of doubt for me.

Everybody, and i genuinely think everybody wanted Hugo Lloris to be our captain, he should have been, and still should be.

Lloris was the only captain/vice captain to front the cameras after that terrible defeat. Adebayor chose to blast the fans to a gutter news rag, and kaboul, our "captain", has said nothing.
 

JayDub

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i don't think Kaboul being captain it's the root cause of our current issues. We lack leaders all over the park and that wouldn't change even if Hugo was captain (Hugo would be my personal choice for your guide). We have some wonderful technical players but in the next few transfer windows we should be looking for character as well as technical ability.

Reminds me a bit of the Ramos side. Great players but no fight in the team.
 

SlunkSoma

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Maybe Kaboul has never had a great captain to lead him, so doesn't have a good example of whats needed? Either way, we just need to stick with it. Poch can't change the captaincy, but he can help Kaboul with his form.

I think the decision to let the players pick was rooted in Poch's desire to get them to take responsibility as a team, which we can't say wasn't needed. It isn't working at the moment, but getting them through this adversity together, and winning over the crowd will teach them a lot about what is needed, and be good for us in the long run. I'm relaxed about it. Its rough to watch, but I'm trying to be philosophical.
 

SlunkSoma

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Shouldn't have sold Dawson. There I said it.
Dawson wasn't good enough and getting worse by the time we sold him. Hull's defense has gone to the dogs since he joined as well. I loved him as a character Daws, but he wasn't exactly the picture of solidity that people are making him out to be. We miss his leadership...because his was better than nothing. But he wasn't one that could lead by example.
 
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