Shadydan
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Erm slight overreaction
Lionel Messi- The Record Breaker
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Erm slight overreaction
ClintEastwould
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Messi is a magical footballer, the way he just glides past people with such ease and then simply places the ball perfectly into the corner is magnificent. I too rate him above Ronaldo because of the team work and bringing others into the game. Its funny though that if you listed all the attributes of a top footballer then you would describe Ronaldo but Messi just has that something extra.
In terms of the best ever, my old man (64 years old) will never entertain anyone but Pele, which means that I have seen many many games of Peles that my old man has made me watch. Pele was incredible, he did things with the ball that no one could do, not Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona or Eusebio. He was purely a magical footballer and one that I dont think will ever be bettered.
But hey, this is football and its all about opinions which is what makes it so great!
If there is anyone in the current era who has a similar style to pele so would it be?
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He's got to do it in other leagues. We'd sign him & he wouldn't score from open play in a month of Sunday's
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A month of Sundays? More like a season. Anyone still remember what a Saturday 3 PM match feels like?
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To be honest when I watched the games back then the style of football is just so different it would be hard to compare. I guess Messi is similar in a way as he is so dominant and is an all round team player which is what Pele was aswell. The thing you notice the most is the athleticism of the players now compared to back then, which I guess is why its almost impossible to say who is the best ever as sport is forever evolving.
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Indeed, the game is noticeably different even in comparison with the 90s when I started watching. I think that more and more we'll see an increase in players that are like CRonaldo and Bale coming to the fore as footballers become proper athletes (or perhaps you could say more athletes become footballers?) in terms of conditioning and commitment to it.
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Broke CL goalscoring record.
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Scored another hattrick. Are you shitting me?
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Hattrick all with his right foot. They just showed all 74 of his cl goals, what a beast this guy is.
Brazilian R9onaldo and Ronaldinho are my favourite players in their peak but Messi' goal record and his all round play is insane. Even though he probably is past his peak in that you don't see him taking on 3-4 players from the half way line any more he is still a machine. Love watching his dribbling, he touches the ball about 5 times where other players will touch it twice. Very few players can dribble like that.
Brazilian R9onaldo and Ronaldinho are my favourite players in their peak but Messi' goal record and his all round play is insane. Even though he probably is past his peak in that you don't see him taking on 3-4 players from the half way line any more he is still a machine. Love watching his dribbling, he touches the ball about 5 times where other players will touch it twice. Very few players can dribble like that.
Probably the motivation for him to be the greatest footballer of this generation. Any players in the Spurs squad that you do not rate too as that could be a spur for his success. Lamela?
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I have the feeling that if Messi had been playing in England for his entire career (for Man Utd for example) and accomplished the same things, you wouldn't even notice the fact that he hasn't 'proved' himself in other leagues. In that scenario, would you really say "Messi needs to move to Italy before he can really be considered the greatest".
Even the most unreasonable of people can admit that Spain is one of the two strongest leagues in the 21st century. You may have a point if Messi played in France, but he plays in one of the indisputable 'big' leagues. Which means the difference in quality and competition is marginal whatever way you look at it. Spain couldn't be further from a 2/3 team league in the grand scheme of things - 3 of the last 5 Europa League winners have been from Spain, 6 of the last 11. 'Other' sides such as Espanyol and Athletic Bilbao have reached finals in that time. Small teams like Malaga and Villarreal have reached CL Semi-Finals in recent years. Not even the current English champions can claim that.
The real truth is that while many of the Spanish teams below the big boys have less money and seem lower in quality compared to similar English teams, they are more often than not coached better. Which is probably why they perform better in European competition.
Messi doesn't need to prove anything to anyone at this point. Even if you disregard his ludicrous individual records and achievements, just watch him play football. He is at the very least, comparable to anything we have previously seen in football. Rather than getting caught up in trivial, international chest puffing, just admit what is as clear as day to anybody watching the sport.
ClintEastwould
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Shame what's happened to you though
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such a great post.
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if Suarez can get 30+, there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that Messi could surpass that in the PL if he really put his mind to it
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before everyone started getting all precious about the "super bestest league ever ever ever in the world" in the mid-00's, did this stupid requirement to prove in more than one league ever exist?
the bolded is absolute bollocks, by the way
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I agree but the bottom 10 in the PL would beat the bottom 10 in La Liga
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The thing is with Suarez is that he's quick, strong, hard-working and his build is suited to the PL and that's what made him so good.
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based on what though? lower down, there's no real definitive way of comparing sides in the bottom half of each table, but I can't see how the likes of West Brom, Hull, or Sunderland are any better or worse than Getafe, Almeria, or Granada for instance. swap both sets of teams over, and you really think there would be that much difference in their finishing positions? the PL just does a MUCH better job of administration, marketing itself as the greatest thing in all of creation, and obviously TV money distribution than in La Liga which creates a bit of an illusion of a difference in competitiveness between the two. but as someone who watches pretty much the same amount of both, there's really not that much difference. top 3 in Spain last season won 82 games between them and lost 14, while the top 3 here won 78 and lost 18. the bottom 3 in Spain won 23 and lost 60, the bottom 3 here won 24 and lost 67. Real and Barca scored 104 and 100 goals respectively, Man City and Liverpool scored 102 and 101. Betis conceded 78 goals, Fulham conceded 85, -42 goals difference to -45....there's really not that much in it.
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and is it only one type of player that can be successful in the PL then? it's just absurd IMO to just assume that a player that has absolutely dominated domestic and European football, broken almost every record going, and walked off the pitch head and shoulders above the best of the rest more times than you could ever care to remember would suddenly lose the ability to do what he does better than just about anyone ever has JUST because he was suddenly up against the might of Aston Villa, Stoke, Everton etc.
the superiority complex surrounding the PL really does astound me sometimes
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