Our centre backs for 2015-2016

prawnsandwich · May 19, 2015

These are the 1st team squad CBs:

4 KABOUL Younes
5 VERTONGHEN Jan
6 CHIRICHES Vlad
15 DIER Eric
21 FAZIO Federico

Khumalo is leaving in the summer.

I think Dier is the only one guaranteed to be here next season.
ITK says Wimmer has signed and Toby is a rumour.

Are there any other CBs we could sign?

What is the possibility of Dominic Ball or any of the youth players being ready for the squad?

nicdic · May 19, 2015

Considering that Kaboul and Chiriches look certain to leave, I'd guess that it's pretty unlikely that either Vertonghen or Fazio would be leaving. If Wimmer is done, then we probably don't need Alderweireld too.

0-Tibsy-0 · May 19, 2015

I know this isn't the point of this thread but I would love to go all out and spend big-ish money on John Stones.

But anyway:

Verts
Dier
Fazio
Wimmer
Alderwiereld (sp)

Should be decent enough.

Everlasting Seconds · May 19, 2015

I'm not too keen on Alderwiereld. He plays for a team which is a very strong unit together. Such a collective unit can make "random" players look good, simply because their style benefit from the the collective style. Ie. Lovren last season. I do not think Alderwiereld automatically is a good fit for a high, hazardous line.

IanC · May 19, 2015

Alderwiereld and Vertonghen were great together at Ajax. Would love to see if that was replicated at Premier League level.

Besides anyone we get in can't be any worse than Kaboul, Chiriches and Fazio. can they?

dagraham · May 19, 2015

Doesn't matter what CB's we have if the manager cannot get them to form an organised back 5 unit and a team shape that gives the defence some protection.

greaves · May 19, 2015

dagraham said:
Doesn't matter what CB's we have if the manager cannot get them to form an organised back 5 unit and a team shape that gives the defence some protection.

I agree. I would make talking/communication skills the absolute highest priority here. Scrub that. Leadership skills (make CB the captain). They must read the game and manage the whole defence, balling out where necessary. Don't suppose these skills appear as stats on FAFFpro or whatever it's called. If they can kick the ball a bit, that's an extra!

mckenz · May 19, 2015

I think Fazio will be here next year and I think he will have a better season....

cue the optimistic rating.

double0 · May 19, 2015

Our defenders have been utterly useless for a number of seasons now basically since King retired and the main problem is Vertonghen. At Ajax where he played for the best team he wasn't actually needed to defend much which suited Vertonghen to the ground he was more a sweeper who made the odd marauding run from the back, supporting both their midfield and attack. Unfortunately the EPL is much more demanding where you are forced to defend and to me Vertonghen doesn't like to do the basic arts.
Now Fazio is a conundrum his not that great on the ball pretty slow though when up to speed ok gives it away far to much but when it comes to basic defensive play is alright.

I like Dier there's alot to work with tbh I'd rather see Dier paired with Fazio imo think he'd learn more.

Chiriches I admit isn't suitable for EPL however I see a truly good defender in him his more aggressive in the tackle than Vertonghen reads danger imo better quicker and better on the ball luckily I'm not the Manager...just his face doesn't fit.

Saying all that we're in need of better quality DEFENDERs that can defend not footballers player in defence

kungfugrip · May 19, 2015

I'd like to keep Vertonghen as first choice along with a new signing. Keep Dier and Fazio with Dier hopefully pushing hard for first team as he improves and matures. Bye bye Younis and Vlad.

kanes · May 19, 2015

Just get Vlad out of my club. Argh.

Bobbins · May 19, 2015

I like Toby.

Play him with Jan with Dier and Fazio as back-up.

Not that it matters - our system offers zero protection to the back four from midfield, and so no matter who we buy/play, we will continue to concede hatfuls of goals until we change the system.

4-3-3 with a proper DM please.

dagraham · May 19, 2015

mckenz said:
I think Fazio will be here next year and I think he will have a better season....

cue the optimistic rating.

He may well have a better season, but he's no better than Dawson and no more suited to the high line. Swapping Fazio for Dawson was a complete waste of time and money.

TropicalYid · May 19, 2015

I hope, for gods sake, that we get rid of Kaboul and Chiriches.
That means we need to get in at least one center back. Hope we buy quality. Dont know if any of our youth are ready to step up.

felmani26 · May 19, 2015

Buying another CB won't solve the defensive problems we've faced nigh on all season.

Sorting out the system i.e. not deploying Mason and Bentaleb in a CM2, and getting our wide attackers to work hard defensively without possession will be the main mitigating factors.

Pat Rice Spurs fan · May 19, 2015

We seemed set to take Hector Monero last summer, until he was injured at the world cup.
Would we be interested now?

Where does Milos play? Is he a center back or midfielder now? Either way, I'd like to see him given a go in the squad.

mpickard2087 · May 19, 2015

Before we settle on individuals, we need to sort out how we defend and work off the ball from a tactical perspective. As @Bobbins has said already, we need to improve greatly on what we do in front of the defence, starting from the very front, or we are going to continue to be open and concede goals. We could spend £100m on centre backs, but they can only do so much...

So tactically things need to change. I'm one who is hoping against hope that we switch to a 4-3-3 because I think it offers a more solid base (in the form of a midfield anchorman) whilst freeing up others to press in a 4-1-4-1 shape, and means we have less distance for each player to close down and reduces space. Talking about reducing space, far too often we are easy to play through because there are massive gaps between the lines of attack-midfield-defence. Therefore I think if Poch is determined for us to press then we need to be braver in terms of the defensive line, have belief in what we are doing and in our ability to win the ball high up the pitch... This means I think our defensive line could and should be higher up the pitch and really squeezing the game, with Lloris going back to his 'Super Hugo' act that we saw under AVB (he's reined it in a bit under Poch) and dealing with anything that gets within 30-40 yards of our goal.

Out of who we have right now, Fazio and an injury-crippled Kaboul are the two that would obviously on paper look most incompatible with this approach, as they are both pretty immobile on the turn and getting dragged out into wide areas. Anyone that we do bring in I hope we have done our homework on, its no good bringing someone in who is used to just defending the penalty area in a low block and packed defence. They have to be comfortable on the turn and covering across into wide areas when it is needed. Someone who can use the ball and be brave in their passing is also much needed.

Barry Mead · May 19, 2015

Everlasting Seconds said:
I'm not too keen on Alderwiereld. He plays for a team which is a very strong unit together. Such a collective unit can make "random" players look good, simply because their style benefit from the the collective style. Ie. Lovren last season. I do not think Alderwiereld automatically is a good fit for a high, hazardous line.

I agree I was never a fan of Alderweireld at Ajax, Verts was always a different class (except for those days when he thought certain teams were beneath him)
Could never command a place at AM although they had a very good unit and yes I agree Soton's defence has been far more down to Fonte, the full backs and the midfield cover than anything Alderweireld has done.

I'd like us to try for Garay, he wants out of Russia, is hugely experienced, happy to play either right or left, still pretty quick, agile and good aerially
He could teach the younger players a bit and this is a guy who has had to adjust to Spanish, Portugese and Russian football so is used to adjusting to change

That said Ogbonna has been linked and Garay hasn't and he's younger, a very strong yet pretty agile player and he would be a good option the only downside is that he hasn't had too much game time this season and players can lose a bit of real sharpness not playing enough

I know nothing of Wimmer so can't comment, but it seems like he'll be coming and at least that would represent a nice balance Dier and Wimmer both young, Verts and maybe Ogbonna that much older it would give us decent options

prawnsandwich · May 19, 2015

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezequiel_Garay
28yo Argentine who plays for AVB's Zenit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Ogbonna
26yo. Plays for Juve. 10 Italian caps

fatpiranha · May 19, 2015

I'd keep Dier. Verts at a push. Fazio just doesn't fit the system and Chiriches would be better at DM than in defence but just has too many brainfarts. Kaboul isn't worth discussing.

We need a CB with a bit of pace if we are going to continue with a high line. Decent in the air would also be nice. Doesn't have to be a great ball playing defender if we keep Verts, but just someone who can actually defend.

I think Dier is going to be a star for us. He has pace and is good in the air. He just needs experience and at his age can't be expected to play every week.

I'm not a huge Schneiderlin fan but he's the right type of player. Stick him in front of a high line and a lot of our defensive problems go away. With a world class sweeper keeper in Lloris, Pace at full back in Rose and Walker/Yedlin and Dier alongside Verts at CB I think the system would work.

Still need one more CB though. I'd love Stones but can't see that happening. Hector Moreno would be worth a punt. A proper defender (y)

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