Saido Berahino NOT being sold by West Brom leaves Tony Pulis 'furious'

theShiznit · Sep 2, 2015

SPURSLIFE said:
But he hasn't though has he. In a couple of weeks after the International break Berahino will be fine and playing, the team will be happy that he's still there and Pullis will get on with the job like the professional he is. The only one fucked here is Levy and in consequence Poch and us.

Ok... We'll see.
personally think otherwise, Pulis doesn't want the player, he played him once this season with a strike partner and pretty much said he didn't like it and felt pressured to play two up front, Berahino won't play as a lone striker so where is Pulis going to play him?

Riandor · Sep 2, 2015

theShiznit said:
Ok... We'll see.
personally think otherwise, Pulis doesn't want the player, he played him once this season with a strike partner and pretty much said he didn't like it and felt pressured to play two up front, Berahino won't play as a lone striker so where is Pulis going to play him?

He won't...
This could be interesting, as I have a suspicion that Pulis won't play Berahino for a while, even if does agree to not go on strike.

But as always, the whole problem reverts back to being the Tranfer process.

Personally I believe players should only be worth what ever time is left on their contract salary wise and it should ALWAYS be paid off by the player (who in turn can negotiate that as a fee from prospective new club).

That way players like Berahino could essentially buy out his contract and move. This whole posturing and blocking is a pile of crap. If every club respected that this is how it works then sure, you risk losing players you don't want to, but you can pick up players in the same manner. You also dont necessarily price players out of a move as long as the player is willing to take a hit to move in the first place (i.e. they want the move).

It puts a much fairer emphasis on the players being in control of their future as well as their finances. You know, a bit more like normal employees.

theShiznit · Sep 2, 2015

Riandor said:
He won't...
This could be interesting, as I have a suspicion that Pulis won't play Berahino for a while, even if does agree to not go on strike.

But as always, the whole problem reverts back to being the Tranfer process.

Personally I believe players should only be worth what ever time is left on their contract salary wise and it should ALWAYS be paid off by the player (who in turn can negotiate that as a fee from prospective new club).

That way players like Berahino could essentially buy out his contract and move. This whole posturing and blocking is a pile of crap. If every club respected that this is how it works then sure, you risk losing players you don't want to, but you can pick up players in the same manner. You also dont necessarily price players out of a move as long as the player is willing to take a hit to move in the first place (i.e. they want the move).

It puts a much fairer emphasis on the players being in control of their future as well as their finances. You know, a bit more like normal employees.

There was a rule (similar to bosman case) bought in where a team can in effect buy out a players contract just by paying wages left, but I believe the elite clubs made a pact that said they would never enforce such a law, as it would pretty much mean the end of player transfers.

midspur · Sep 2, 2015

TaoistMonkey said:
Yeah, he's real clever. He has one really happy player on his books.

And one whose value will be dropping now

Dinghy · Sep 2, 2015

SPURSLIFE said:
"He wouldn't have left it so late" He ALWAYS leaves it late.

Always leaves it late??? Like he did for Son and Clinton and Toby and Wimmer and Trippier??? They were ALL bought and registered yesterday in the final hours of the transfer window?

yiddopaul · Sep 2, 2015

the shelf said:
With ten minutes of the window remaining?? That's fair on West Brom is it?? If there were two previous bids made before, it was clear Spurs wanted him. Then to make a third and final offer an hour before the window closes and then, when that is refused, make a fourth with about ten minutes to go hoping to rinse West Brom in desperation - fair play to them for refusing to bow to the wishes of this petty little man.

Wow. You don't have an agenda.

Riandor · Sep 2, 2015

theShiznit said:
There was a rule (similar to bosman case) bought in where a team can in effect buy out a players contract just by paying wages left, but I believe the elite clubs made a pact that said they would never enforce such a law, as it would pretty much mean the end of player transfers.

Indeed and it's the Elite clubs with their bottomless pockets that keep it in place so that the competition is stifled as much as possible.

Bobbins · Sep 2, 2015

Where are all these comments about it being unfair that West Brom only had ten minutes to sign a replacement striker coming from?

They've already signed Lambert and Rondon this summer and now have FIVE strikers on their books, which is four more than us. In addition to this, our opening offers were made a long time before deadline day and left them plenty of time should they have wished to sign yet another forward, for some reason.

Leave it with all the ridiculous fact-ignoring West Brom sympathy, it's only coming from Levy hate (and I say that as someone who thinks Levy has screwed up by not signing a ST and DM).

diamondlight · Sep 2, 2015

CosmicHotspur said:
It's a mess however you look at it. Everybody loses in a situation like this.

Or everybody wins, apart from the player (who got what he deserved for his petulance). They didn't wanted to sell at the price, and didn't. We didn't want to buy at their price, and didn't. We move on. Spurs are bigger than Berahino.

bobby soldier · Sep 2, 2015

It's called negotiation! Seriously have you ever done a deal? Deadlines are for working out what people can live with. Clearly he wasn't for sale for what we were offering. Sh*t happens but we'd better hope son comes good

Metalhead · Sep 2, 2015

Bobbins said:
Where are all these comments about it being unfair that West Brom only had ten minutes to sign a replacement striker coming from?

They've already signed Lambert and Rondon this summer and now have FIVE strikers on their books, which is four more than us. In addition to this, our opening offers were made a long time before deadline day and left them plenty of time should they have wished to sign yet another forward, for some reason.

Leave it with all the ridiculous fact-ignoring West Brom sympathy, it's only coming from Levy hate (and I say that as someone who thinks Levy has screwed up by not signing a ST and DM).

I think what's being missed a bit here is why, in the face of all this potential pissing about by JP at West Brom (depending on whether or not you believe his version or DL's) there was no plan B when we are so short on strikers.

newbie · Sep 2, 2015

Does levy ever really want to sign these players ?every window it goes to the wire and we loose out ? yet we balance the books ? I really wonder if he really try to sign the players or just trying to keep the fans happy?

UbeAstard · Sep 2, 2015

The big picture is, Levy has plans to make a premier league competitive Spurs with world class facilities and a new stadium that will increase our revenue. Do we really need fans to clamour to spend over the odds on people who aren't really established as 'raising our level'. Wouldn't this be at the risk of using finances set aside for the stadium so that when the stadium is being built or has been built our hands are financially tied for a number of years while we are struggling to stay in the premier league?
How do you doom mongers know what we can or not afford to do at this moment, and if we have a lay out for a new stadium is that really a balancing of the books or lining shareholders pockets you keep going on about?
I'm disappointed we haven't signed a striker yes but without knowing the facts of the bids and ins and out of our finances, I think the criticism of our chairman on here is by people with a narrow mind-set.

Smokinhotspur · Sep 3, 2015

Metalhead said:
I think what's being missed a bit here is why, in the face of all this potential pissing about by JP at West Brom (depending on whether or not you believe his version or DL's) there was no plan B when we are so short on strikers.

Exactly the point and I couldn't agree more. JP's stance in mid August made it very clear that this was going to be a difficult deal to do so would have thought this was the time for intel from Paul Mitchell and his group of scouts to kick into gear. There are other scenarios that meant we could have missed out on the player even if JP was ever going to sell to us. What if United, City, Chelsea became interested at the last minute (ala Willian) as they were working down their list of targets then what?

It did not have to be a long term signing that would hurt us for years if it didn't work out (as Ade's has!). What about a loan until Jan to take the pressure of HK or give him a rest in the league cup and Europa games and also the hectic Xmas period. Or taking a chance on a player that has been scouted from the Championship (like Palace and Villa have) that could easily be sold back down to that level if it was unsuccessful.

This whole propaganda about Son, Njie being potential striker options is a load of bull as Son always played somewhere in a three behind Kieslling at Leverkusen and Njie usually played off a front man in Lacazette at Lyon. MP was crying for a striker last week and even likened it to a search for a woman but Levy has left him without one and they now have to put up a united front as one would expect but I am certainly not fooled. MP must be fuming privately and it also makes it difficult to really appraise where he is with his project and philosophy as he can point to the unbalanced squad he has been left with as an excuse and who can blame him.

UbeAstard · Sep 3, 2015

Smokinhotspur said:
MP must be fuming privately....

So maybe when he follows up his statements at his next interview people may stop insisting that the manager MUST be feeling what they are feeling? They wont though and will continue with the refusal to accept anything other than their own viewpoint.

HotspurFC1950 · Sep 3, 2015

Mr Peace doesn't know football. One more f up and Pulis will be gone burger.

Smokinhotspur · Sep 3, 2015

UbeAstard said:
So maybe when he follows up his statements at his next interview people may stop insisting that the manager MUST be feeling what they are feeling? They wont though and will continue with the refusal to accept anything other than their own viewpoint.

Ok how about "I expect MP to have a sense of disappointment at not being provided with the striker that he clearly wanted".

Like that one a bit better?

Metalhead · Sep 3, 2015

Smokinhotspur said:
Exactly the point and I couldn't agree more. JP's stance in mid August made it very clear that this was going to be a difficult deal to do so would have thought this was the time for intel from Paul Mitchell and his group of scouts to kick into gear. There are other scenarios that meant we could have missed out on the player even if JP was ever going to sell to us. What if United, City, Chelsea became interested at the last minute (ala Willian) as they were working down their list of targets then what?

It did not have to be a long term signing that would hurt us for years if it didn't work out (as Ade's has!). What about a loan until Jan to take the pressure of HK or give him a rest in the league cup and Europa games and also the hectic Xmas period. Or taking a chance on a player that has been scouted from the Championship (like Palace and Villa have) that could easily be sold back down to that level if it was unsuccessful.

This whole propaganda about Son, Njie being potential striker options is a load of bull as Son always played somewhere in a three behind Kieslling at Leverkusen and Njie usually played off a front man in Lacazette at Lyon. MP was crying for a striker last week and even likened it to a search for a woman but Levy has left him without one and they now have to put up a united front as one would expect but I am certainly not fooled. MP must be fuming privately and it also makes it difficult to really appraise where he is with his project and philosophy as he can point to the unbalanced squad he has been left with as an excuse and who can blame him.

Very well put.

SPURSLIFE · Sep 12, 2015

Dinghy said:
Always leaves it late??? Like he did for Son and Clinton and Toby and Wimmer and Trippier??? They were ALL bought and registered yesterday in the final hours of the transfer window?

But the most important player we needed a STRIKER as we only have ONE he didn't get because he was TO LATE!!! Wimmer and Trippier look like back ups so if we hadn't bought them it wouldn't have been the end of the world. Son and Clinton could be good buys but we don't know as they haven't played yet. However again it's great they are here but we do have some good young MF players that look like they are ready so again if they hadn't come it would not have been a disaster.

What we don't have is another striker for Kane. I believe we should have concentrated on TWO top strikers and if the others came also then great.

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