New Stadium Details And Discussions

we_all_loved_freund · Jun 25, 2016

Jamturk said:
Not shooting the messenger Dov:

I as someone who works in this industry will be disgusted with this sponsor.

This company a subsidary of google are systematically forcing drivers to work longer for less.
Meaning less safety for the public as drivers are working over 18 hours a day every day without breaks
siphoning money from the local cab offices into shareholders pockets
Are planning driverless cars therefore consigning thousands of drivers redundant in the future.

Probably not the right thread for this but, sorry, black cabs were just too slow to move with the times. They were resting on their laurels and were not keen to invest in the future. I mean, FFS, I got in a black cab the other day and couldn't even pay by card. Nobody wants anybody to lose their job. However, we live in a capitalist society; if something better comes along for less money, people will take it. I feel sorry for black cab drivers, to a certain extent; some of the problems they are now facing are their own making.

Mister Jez · Jun 25, 2016

Jamturk said:
Not shooting the messenger Dov:

I as someone who works in this industry will be disgusted with this sponsor.

This company a subsidary of google are systematically forcing drivers to work longer for less.
Meaning less safety for the public as drivers are working over 18 hours a day every day without breaks
siphoning money from the local cab offices into shareholders pockets
Are planning driverless cars therefore consigning thousands of drivers redundant in the future.

Whichever sponsor we end up with, someone is not going to be happy. At the end of the day it will be a business decision, as they always are. Money talks.

benny · Jun 25, 2016

Jamturk said:
This company a subsidary of google are systematically forcing drivers to work longer for less.

Just wanted to clarify the point in bold; Uber is not a subsidary of Google (or Alphabet Inc). Google Ventures, an investment arm of Google, invested $250 million back in 2013. It is not publically revealed how much that converts to in terms of ownership percentage but from what I can see is estimated to be between 2% and 5%.

Add to that, Google Ventures is run at 'arms length' from the rest of Google, so I don't think that has much influence.

Jamturk · Jun 25, 2016

benny said:
Just wanted to clarify the point in bold; Uber is not a subsidary of Google (or Alphabet Inc). Google Ventures, an investment arm of Google, invested $250 million back in 2013. It is not publically revealed how much that converts to in terms of ownership percentage but from what I can see is estimated to be between 2% and 5%.

Add to that, Google Ventures is run at 'arms length' from the rest of Google, so I don't think that has much influence.

OK, I am wrong with that statement.

My main point is that an industry which shared out the profits of its works among the people that did the work has now been hijacked by a corporate entity who's interest is to move those profits from the many to the few.

It makes my blood boil, how much money and power do these people want?.

Hoddle_Ledge · Jun 25, 2016

Not a fan of Uber myself but I think they were looking at being valued at circa $50bn last year. If Spurs can get a slice of that, well done again Mr Levy.

mk_spur · Jun 25, 2016

The uber white hart lane I could think of worse.

HotspurSam · Jun 25, 2016

Tottenham, Tottenham uber Alles

Sponsorship partner - could just be like Thomas Cook or Marsthon Bet, EzTrader etc
Clubs preferred Taxi Service etc.

L-man · Jun 25, 2016

From Twitter:

worcestersauce · Jun 25, 2016

HotspurSam said:
Tottenham, Tottenham uber Alles

Sponsorship partner - could just be like Thomas Cook or Marsthon Bet, EzTrader etc
Clubs preferred Taxi Service etc.

Would that really be a good anthem at a fine Yidisher club like ours.

Phischy · Jun 25, 2016

L-man said:
From Twitter:

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Wow, things are moving at an astonishing pace. Thanks for this.

Mornstar · Jun 26, 2016

Wondering if this brexit nonsense will have any impact on our stadium plans? With the value of the pound dropping sharply and UK's credit rating under threat of a downgrade, could there be an undesired impact on our loan arrangement?

Mr-T · Jun 26, 2016

L-man said:
From Twitter:

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If you look under where the corporate boxes are in the bit of the East being demolished, you can see the old Shelf sloping up. Not sure how I feel about seeing that again considering I'll never get to stand on it.

longtimespur · Jun 26, 2016

Mr-T said:
If you look under where the corporate boxes are in the bit of the East being demolished, you can see the old Shelf sloping up. Not sure how I feel about seeing that again considering I'll never get to stand on it.

Thought the shelf was in the West stand. It was when I went there.

EDIT: ..... Got my north and south mixed up have I? Sorry

davidmatzdorf · Jun 26, 2016

Mornstar said:
Wondering if this brexit nonsense will have any impact on our stadium plans? With the value of the pound dropping sharply and UK's credit rating under threat of a downgrade, could there be an undesired impact on our loan arrangement?

I would suspect that people with as much financial nous and experience as Lewis and Levy would have hedged sufficient funds against either referendum result, to make sure they can continue to fund the project whatever the result. But I'm not a financier, so I couldn't paint any details.

I do know about development - what is pretty certain is that the referendum result will cause ructions in the construction industry. For starters, the fall in the value of the pound will make imported building materials more expensive. If the stadium project were using a traditional building contract, then this would either be a problem for the contractor or for the developer, depending on whether "fluctuations" are allowed in the contract.

But we aren't using a traditional building contract, we're using construction management, which means that Mace are procuring separate specialist subcontracts for each operation as we go along. That means that the tenders for these subcontracts will be affected by the changing cost of materials.

There's materials and then there is labour. The construction industry is heavily dependent upon immigrant workers, especially in the skilled trades. Show me a building site that doesn't sound like the Tower of Babel

. One main reason for the rising cost of construction in London over the past few years has been a shortage of bricklayers, plasterers, plumbers, etc. Many of these jobs are filled by EU workers, because there aren't suitably trained British workers to do them. It's anyone's guess how that pool of labour will be affected during the 2+ years between now and our formal departure from the EU.

The uncertainty and instability will do no favours for the stadium project. They'll just have to risk-manage their way through it. Construction is a low-margin industry with a very high rate of business failures.

EDIT: I wish I had waited a bit longer to post this. Then I could have been post no. 20000 on page no. 1000 of this thread. A missed life-opportunity.

Wellspurs · Jun 26, 2016

longtimespur said:
Thought the shelf was in the West stand. It was when I went there.

EDIT: ..... Got my north and south mixed up have I? Sorry

The angle is north-east corner... aghh my kids grew up in family block 23A.

Phischy · Jun 26, 2016

Phischy said:
Wow, things are moving at an astonishing pace. Thanks for this.

@Matthew, you disagree? Given how long it took to get from ENIC buying us and promising a stadium to actually breaking ground, things now seem to be going at an incredible pace. They delayed making a decision on that corner of the stadium, but as soon as it was taken, just a few weeks have seen that corner become just a shell and in a few more it will be gone. Things are moving amazingly quickly, but even if it could be quicker... Wrecking ball style, it seems a little churlish to rate disagree!

Lighty64 · Jun 26, 2016

I think pictures of destruction of WHL should be banned. was very happy to hear the news about us getting a new stadium, but honestly didn't realise the hurt in pulling it down. annoying thing is its only a small part at the moment, god knows what its going to feel like when they bring in the bulldozers :cry:

also hope they are not sponsored by Uber, not just London cabbies that will suffer this

tottenmal · Jun 26, 2016

Lighty64 said:
also hope they are not sponsored by Uber, not just London cabbies that will suffer this

I think a lot of this, the same with Nike etc, is that a lot of these talks will still be quite early. Nothing will be agreed and announced for another year at least. So we are probably just hearing wispers of who the club is talking to rather.

tottenmal · Jun 26, 2016

Went on a tour today. For those that don't like pics of WHL being knocked down I'm sorry.

Roynie · Jun 26, 2016

Great pics, thanks. (y)

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