Spursmad321
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Spot on!!
England consequences for us
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ComfortablyNumb
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I've said this every season this century and it's still true - when England play badly they look exactly like Spurs when we play badly.
The end of last season was as much about opponents outthinking us as it was loss of key players. Porch needs to up his game and have a more flexible set of tactics that accommodate a broader set of squad skills (assuming these become available).
The end of last season was as much about opponents outthinking us as it was loss of key players. Porch needs to up his game and have a more flexible set of tactics that accommodate a broader set of squad skills (assuming these become available).
spurs mental
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If Hodgson had any sense he'd have selected Lallana to play alongside our 5 lads, and maybe Vardy as well, as they all play with the same high intensity. England might have done alright then. But he never had the cajones. All he had to do was fill the gaps then.
That would have done well even with Vardy shoe horned out to the left.
I'm not concerned about how shite England were or whether our boys will be effected. Poch won't allow it to put it quite simply. He's too good a manager to allow it. He and his team will put it right withing 30 seconds of the first team meeting.
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Walker CB CB Rose
Dier Drinkwater
Lallana Alli Vardy
Kane
Walker CB CB Rose
Dier Drinkwater
Lallana Alli Vardy
Kane
That would have done well even with Vardy shoe horned out to the left.
I'm not concerned about how shite England were or whether our boys will be effected. Poch won't allow it to put it quite simply. He's too good a manager to allow it. He and his team will put it right withing 30 seconds of the first team meeting.
tommyt
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So Eric D was reporting himself to be ill prior to the Iceland game but Roy decided to play anyway (according to a few tabloids).
Roy Hodgson is a yes man and a clown of the highest order...and so will the next manager unless the FA is shaken up.
Blame Roy? Not really, but he's getting the grief. I'd focus my energies towards the ones who appointed him if I actually gave two f####.
Roy Hodgson is a yes man and a clown of the highest order...and so will the next manager unless the FA is shaken up.
Blame Roy? Not really, but he's getting the grief. I'd focus my energies towards the ones who appointed him if I actually gave two f####.
longtimespur
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Dier is actually a worry for me. Not his performances as they were top draw but he went down in the Slovakia game and looked a bit weird as though he wasn't sure where he was. Now this @tommyt has said about him being ill prior to the Iceland game. I hope the medical staff do some stringent tests on him when he gets back to the club.
WalkerboyUK
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Most likely as a result of having to play in front of 2 central defenders and a keeper who clearly don't know what they are doing.
This can't be ignored, at all.
Poch really has his work cut out, the team literally crumbled at the end of last season, Arsenal 2-2 seemed to be the making, and what happened at Chelsea was just frankly, beyond ridiculous.
The boys aren't mentally strong enough, how you bring that through in training, I literally have no idea on, but it showed with England.
Regardless of the lack of formation and service, both Alli and Kane played terribly in all 3/4 games they were involved in, that last game, Kane's touch, delivery and everything else just left him. He went from being one of the best strikers in the prem, to looking championship class in the euro's...
Positives on that, no club will want to buy him off the back of those euro performances, but Poch has his work cut out with those boys now.
Properly need to reflect and learn on the end of last season.
Yes we had literally every side wanting to beat us, yes we got laughed at. Do you think they'd suddenly be clapping us on if we were to be top for a long period in the league?
Thats pretty much the price to pay, you don't become the nations favourite team for winning the league, you become more hated (last season with leicester I believe was a bit of a freak on that).
spursfan77
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I mentioned it in the poch thread. I was concerned in the last week of last season that our bad run might continue into next season and poch had serious work to do to stop that, especially with dembele missing. I don't think depressed England players coming back will help. But then again they might have a few weeks off playing golf, gambling and banging page 3 birds and that will take their minds off it and they'll be back fresh and ready to go. Only time will tell.
Wsussexspur
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Think the club should give them 6-8 weeks off even if it means missing the start of the season let them all fully recover physically and mentally from the disappointing end to our campaign and the whole England debacle.
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A month off, the normal holiday i think, would take them to July 24th..then ideally 6 weeks pre season training would make it September 7th..
I suspect Poch will cut their pre season down to 4 weeks and we'll see the England players around August 24th..
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Arguably our 2 best performances of the season (3-0 v Man Utd and 4-0 v Stoke) came after the Arsenal game. I would say it was the Chelsea game that ended our season mentally.
spurs9
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I can't believe so many people are trying to connect England's shit show of a performance with our crap end to the season.
Over the course of the tournament, out of the 3 worst England players, non were from Spurs (Rooney, Sterling & Hart) and the 3 best players were all spurs (Dier, Walker and Rose).
England did shit because we had a shit coach who hadn't even figured out what tactics or formation he wanted to use, let alone line ups, when the competition started. He had had 4 years to figure it out FFS.
Over the course of the tournament, out of the 3 worst England players, non were from Spurs (Rooney, Sterling & Hart) and the 3 best players were all spurs (Dier, Walker and Rose).
England did shit because we had a shit coach who hadn't even figured out what tactics or formation he wanted to use, let alone line ups, when the competition started. He had had 4 years to figure it out FFS.
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I think Kane has to go down as one of the worst, he was anonymous most of the time and when he was involved he was terrible especially against Iceland.
I do agree that most of the problems were due to Hodgson, but I think worringly it highlighted that some of our players are not the strongest mentally.
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Thats mostly other fans looking at scapegoats, in other words shit banter. However, when you are looking for leaders, we had 5 players out there... difficult to defend, like our last 3/4 games at the end of last season.
I don't agree that Rooney was our worst player either, he was actually one of our better players.
dickieven
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Actually Rooney played well except the last game. Despite being played out of position by that twat of a manager.
CoopsieDeadpool
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Well that makes sense of the discussion a few of us had in the match thread after the last England game, after Dier went down & nobody seemed to know why.
We came to the conclusion that he was lightheaded or gonna throw up, so it's bloody disappointing if he was made to play when feeling unwell.
Im not personally a huge fan of starting the season without half of our first team! A recovery is needed but the trade off vs. losing a couple of matches, potentially losing a couple of games and then coming back into a side already under pressure doesn't make sense. I think Poch will go for a lot more rotation especially if he can get the players he wants. For me I don't think Walker, Rose and Dier will have any baggage from the Euros, Alli is 20 and has a lot of self confidence and will be fine after a rest and I would rate him early on but we will be missing Dembele too and so its really Kane I am worried about. He has been worked into the ground and your mental and physical strength goes. We need a quality signing to support him and challenge him so if that is done soon then I would def want to see Kane get some time to recover.
double0
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Sorry Rooney was poor. It's not totally his fault though. How Woy let Englands all time leader goal scorer play so deep didn't make sense also Imo Rooney has one pass like Gerrard before him cross field diagonal
dickieven
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I agree he should not have played in that position but having been put there I thought he did OK. Having said that I also agree his main tactic seemed to be a cross field pass to one of the full backs. He did slow the game down. Compare France's midfield against Iceland to ours and we see the difference. Actually I now realise I agree fully with you and have argued against myself. I will go and disagree my own original post !
joelstinton14
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I had this conservation with my old man, a little bit concerned about the mentality and tiredness of our players. It is not just England, the other half of the team plays for belgium, and they too looked knackered physically and mentally at times. Hopefully a good rest and good man management will ease the players back.
