The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

Bus-Conductor · Aug 1, 2016

scat1620 said:
My literary comic genius is unappreciated in its own time. Which may disqualify its genius altogether.

Anyone who acknowledges the literary genius of the master race, even comedically, deserves to avoid disqualification.

Bus-Conductor · Aug 2, 2016

spurs9 said:
Smith is a better dribbler but that is about it IMO.

He also has a better brain and his technique doesn't turn to that of a 5yo when he's confronted with a defender.

Spurzinho · Aug 2, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
He also has a better brain and his technique doesn't turn to that of a 5yo when he's confronted with a defender.

Maybe footballing brain but not in a general context if teammates past & present are to be believed. Regularly comes up as the thickest at the club during those "tell us about your teammates" segments.

spurs9 · Aug 2, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
He also has a better brain and his technique doesn't turn to that of a 5yo when he's confronted with a defender.

According to Bournemouth fan forums, he is very poor at decision making, often running into blind alleys and choosing to dribble or cross at the wrong times. Apparently the poor decision making is also poor in defensive situations. Let's not forget he is their second choice RB and only got so many games due to Francis moving to CB to replace DIstin who was showing his age.

Bus-Conductor · Aug 2, 2016

spurs9 said:
According to Bournemouth fan forums, he is very poor at decision making, often running into blind alleys and choosing to dribble or cross at the wrong times. Apparently the poor decision making is also poor in defensive situations. Let's not forget he is their second choice RB and only got so many games due to Francis moving to CB to replace DIstin who was showing his age.

Yeah, fan forums….Walker was the best player at Euro 2016 on this one…

spurs9 · Aug 2, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
Yeah, fan forums….Walker was the best player at Euro 2016 on this one…

Surely if he is technically superior and more intelligent than Walker, being an attacking full back, he should have more assists and created more chances than Walker per 90, but he doesn't.

Anyway none of this changes the fact that Smith, only being 1 year younger than Walker, was playing in league 2 when Walker was making his England debut (2 years after signing him).

Bus-Conductor · Aug 2, 2016

spurs9 said:
Surely if he is technically superior and more intelligent than Walker, being an attacking full back, he should have more assists and created more chances than Walker per 90, but he doesn't.

Anyway none of this changes the fact that Smith, only being 1 year younger than Walker, was playing in league 2 when Walker was making his England debut (2 years after signing him).

I think Walker's physical attributes, largely his pace jumped him ahead in development because those qualities were wrongly valued higher than technique and cognitive football ability, in terms of age there may only be one year, but in terms of mileage Walker was given a huge head start.

Do you not think that if Walker had played for Bournemouth and Smith had played for our team last season that the stats could read very differently for Smith?

spurs9 · Aug 2, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
I think Walker's physical attributes, largely his pace jumped him ahead in development because those qualities were wrongly valued higher than technique and cognitive football ability, in terms of age there may only be one year, but in terms of mileage Walker was given a huge head start.

Do you not think that if Walker had played for Bournemouth and Smith had played for our team last season that the stats could read very differently for Smith?

When Walker joined, both he and Smith went out on loan. Walker got a championship loan (back to the club we signed him from) and did well, whilst Smith struggled in league one, so went out to league 2.
Walker then got another champ loan for 1/2 a season and did very well, so earned a prem loan for 1/2 a season and also did well. In the meantime, Smith couldn't get a championship loan and went to league 1.
Before Walkers move, he had played 1200 mins, mostly in league 1 but some in the championship, so is hardly a huge head start, especially considering, by the same age Walker was signed by us, Smith had had 1600 mins (mostly in league 2).
Smith is also very quick, so you can't use pace as an excuse.

I don't think Smiths attacking stats would look any better playing for us, in fact I think they would be worse as he would have less time on the ball.

Bus-Conductor · Aug 2, 2016

spurs9 said:
When Walker joined, both he and Smith went out on loan. Walker got a championship loan (back to the club we signed him from) and did well, whilst Smith struggled in league one, so went out to league 2.
Walker then got another champ loan for 1/2 a season and did very well, so earned a prem loan for 1/2 a season and also did well. In the meantime, Smith couldn't get a championship loan and went to league 1.
Before Walkers move, he had played 1200 mins, mostly in league 1 but some in the championship, so is hardly a huge head start, especially considering, by the same age Walker was signed by us, Smith had had 1600 mins (mostly in league 2).
Smith is also very quick, so you can't use pace as an excuse.

I don't think Smiths attacking stats would look any better playing for us, in fact I think they would be worse as he would have less time on the ball.

Why would he have less of the ball ?

spurs9 · Aug 2, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
Why would he have less of the ball ?

I said less time on the ball, as we get closed down quicker than Bournemouth do and have the ball in more compact spaces.

Bus-Conductor · Aug 2, 2016

spurs9 said:
I said less time on the ball, as we get closed down quicker than Bournemouth do and have the ball in more compact spaces.

I'm not sure that's true. We also have better footballers who get full backs into better positions than Bournemouth. Smith gave the ball away 6% less than Walker did last year, despite being massively less experienced in the EPL and playing for a vastly inferior team having their first season in the EPL. I don't think it's likely he could be any worse than Walker under pressure.

spurs9 · Aug 2, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
I'm not sure that's true. We also have better footballers who get full backs into better positions than Bournemouth. Smith gave the ball away 6% less than Walker did last year, despite being massively less experienced in the EPL and playing for a vastly inferior team having their first season in the EPL. I don't think it's likely he could be any worse than Walker under pressure.

Walker make 9% more passes forward (compared to total passes) and Walkers ave pass length was almost 6m more (14.9m v 20.18m) so maybe Smith was just more conservative with his passing, resulting in more successful passes?

newbie · Aug 2, 2016

spurs9 said:
Walker make 9% more passes forward (compared to total passes) and Walkers ave pass length was almost 6m more (14.9m v 20.18m) so maybe Smith was just more conservative with his passing, resulting in more successful passes?

Bloody hell Bus conductor and Spurs9 remind me never to go for a drink with you two

Hengy1 · Aug 2, 2016

spurs9 said:
When Walker joined, both he and Smith went out on loan. Walker got a championship loan (back to the club we signed him from) and did well, whilst Smith struggled in league one, so went out to league 2.
Walker then got another champ loan for 1/2 a season and did very well, so earned a prem loan for 1/2 a season and also did well. In the meantime, Smith couldn't get a championship loan and went to league 1.
Before Walkers move, he had played 1200 mins, mostly in league 1 but some in the championship, so is hardly a huge head start, especially considering, by the same age Walker was signed by us, Smith had had 1600 mins (mostly in league 2).
Smith is also very quick, so you can't use pace as an excuse.

I don't think Smiths attacking stats would look any better playing for us, in fact I think they would be worse as he would have less time on the ball.

When Smith was on loan to MK he was quality. Head and shoulders above anyone else on the field.

Scored a couple of fantastic goals too

0-Tibsy-0 · Aug 2, 2016

Hercules said:
More to it than what everyone thinks. Won't share until verified with mods to not get into trouble.

Hoping the Mods verify soon- quite intrigued now...

thinktank · Aug 2, 2016

http://www.squawka.com/news/tottenh...-handed-two-year-professional-contract/738125

Current youth round-up video. You guys can judge how accurate. Might be useful watch for some, though..

BPR_U16 · Aug 2, 2016

Hengy1 said:
@BPR_U16 whats the WTF rate for?

what, where, when?

bloody fat fingers on mobiles - will undo

found, sorted - apologies

Spursidol · Aug 2, 2016

newbie said:
Bloody hell Bus conductor and Spurs9 remind me never to go for a drink with you two

Don't you mean you need the drink before going out with them ?

Cornpattbuck · Aug 2, 2016

Just been told by a Brighton supporting friend that they've agreed a fee for Pritchard.

P.S. Just realised this is already being widely reported, d'oh! Haha.

elDiablo · Aug 2, 2016

Good for Pritchard. Can see Brighton promoted this year

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