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C0YS

C0YS

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Lilbaz said:
You might be right. Just think that if you are leaving and you see them showing the 17:30 match and the bar open you might stay for a pint or two before the long walk down to seven sisters.

The regeneration has been badly needed and was cried out for after the riots. To say it's depressing from an ethical standpoint is a bit strange. Yes some businesses may close but many others will open. 10000 new houses are going to be built and probably occupied by people with a bit of money. I'm against gentrification in some cases but tottenham needs it.
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You don't solve issues such as the riots by pricing people out of the area and moving them further up the road. You just hide them away.

I know its not a popular opinion but i'm proud of tottenham. Its the most ethnically diverse area in england, its a place where you can find Turkish sweets and olives in the local shops and buy a rare reggae album on the same street. Its a place with a hell of a lot of problems, but its much better than the hell holes of shoredich, upper street and all that crap, places which are too expensive for locals to enjoy filled by white yuppies eating some generic tosh served on a slate plate, or pay over a £10 for a bowl of cereal.

Like there are problems, but these only get solved by careful policies designed for social mobility and adressing the underlying issues. Not by moving some rich people into the area. Thats not solving the ongoing tensions in london, but rather flaming them.

The regeneration project actually does at least attempt to address some of the underlying issues, but having local businesses close for corporate entities (and lets face it that includes Tottenham) is not regeneration, its taking away peoples livelihoods.
 
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danielneeds

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widmerpool said:
It will just make silence all the more eerie. And when an angry parent hisses "sit still, Felix, or there'll be no artisan cheese at half time!" it will reverberate around the entire stadium.
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I'm just sad we'll never be able to hear how loud "You're f***** shit Jenas" could really be coming from the fossilised know it alls in the new West Stand.
 
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tottenmal said:
A good read on the level off detail they have gone to regarding the acoustics and the amount of micro managing Levy is doing.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/six-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-tottenham-stadium
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Shudder

"He’s incredibly detail focused. Two weeks ago, we spent six hours looking at the insides of lifts. And I don’t mean the cars, the mechanisms. [...] I mean, I’ll meet Daniel three times a week, I’ll get a dozen emails from him a day..."
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DL, he's different.
A client from hell who'd brutally adopt into BSoDL submission any subcontractor.
A boss who'd spellcheck your resignation letter and charge you for the service upfront.

I feel relieved (and that's GQ!) wine and cheese were not mentioned and Tunnel Club was more of a sidenote.
Acoustics bit was amazing, but did you copy this little snippet:

Do you have an identity? Are there a bunch of people around you who come week in week out? So to create a bowl with atmosphere and personality was important.”​

To simply drop the bit in bold is not accidental. Someone deputises for Donna pretty well to give the fans a hint it's been considered and hope they won't be dispersed at random after migration.
 
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Does anyone else worry that all this stuff about acoustics and atmosphere could be a bit of PR BS?

I mean, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just wondering... can a new stadium capture all that atmosphere, or does that come from decades of relationships, seating arrangements, shared memories, etc?

I suppose the importance that they are giving it in the communication shows that they recognise that it is an issue in new stadia...
 
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widmerpool said:
It will just make silence all the more eerie. And when an angry parent hisses "sit still, Felix, or there'll be no artisan cheese at half time!" it will reverberate around the entire stadium.
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The way I understood it, it will be the other way around. Low reverberation times, so a single uttering like that would attenuate quickly. I'm an acoustical engineer myself, so I've been rather curious as to what those measures to optimise the acoustics would be.

Intuitively, it would be long reverberation times, because the chants would then ring around the stadium and be amplified like in a church. But the article mentioned clarity, which is the ratio between early and late reflections. Early reflections are often defined as the time interval 0-80 milliseconds, because any reflections after 80 ms will be perceived as echo, while reflections before 80 ms will be percieved as amplification.

What is tricky though, is that with sound traveling at ca 340 m/s, it will travel no more than 27 m within those 80 ms. So for larger distances than that, there will be an echo. Now, 27 m is a bit, but the reflections you hear when you chant will first have to travel from you to the ceiling and then back to you, which means that if the distance between seat and ceiling exceeds 13.5 m, there will be a lot of late reflections.

You'll also have an issue when the ground is half full, because sound will be reflected back from the stands again when there are few people there. Hopefully that won't be a problem at our ground, though.

Anyway, to ensure high clarity, the ceiling should absorb a lot more of the sound than what is common in most existing stadia, so it will certainly be something special. Whether or not you actually notice the difference remains to be seen, but it seemed extensively researched, so I believe there's every reason to be optimistic about it.
 
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Did I miss something where our stadium originally cost 400M and no its suddenly going to cost 750M!!??? All along I have been reading it'll be costing us 400M and now suddenly over the last month the cost is now going to be nearly double. How did that happen?

Are the press maybe getting mixed up with the total NDP cost and the stadium cost?
 
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thfc1973 said:
Did I miss something where our stadium originally cost 400M and no its suddenly going to cost 750M!!??? All along I have been reading it'll be costing us 400M and now suddenly over the last month the cost is now going to be nearly double. How did that happen?

Are the press maybe getting mixed up with the total NDP cost and the stadium cost?
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I think rumours at least have suggested that the figure would end up much higher. I mean firstly the redesign is clearly much more expensive than the first one, also you have to factor in cost associated with the delays/redesigns/NFL compatibility/investment in corporate stuff ect.
 
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Hi The Scarecrow, does this help at all)

  • e main roof surface is an aluminium standing seam cladding system supported on a structural trapezoidal deck supported by purlins spanning between the main steel ra ers which are supported by the cable net.

  • e area of the main roof surface has a sofit made from powder coated pressed aluminium panels to create an architecturally clean sofit. The rear portion of this sofit is perforated with a layer of acoustic insulation between the perforated surface and the underside of the trapezoidal deck to improve the acoustic performance of the stadium bowl
 
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thfc1973 said:
Did I miss something where our stadium originally cost 400M and no its suddenly going to cost 750M!!??? All along I have been reading it'll be costing us 400M and now suddenly over the last month the cost is now going to be nearly double. How did that happen?

Are the press maybe getting mixed up with the total NDP cost and the stadium cost?
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400 mill has always seemed a small number for this project just as 750 for just the stadium seems crazy. The truth lays somewhere in between and I would say that the 750 million is probably in a capital fund somewhere either NDP or stadium or something.
 
tottenmal

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As other posters have said, the truth lies somewhere in between £400 and £750m.

The £750m figure came about during the planning phase, as the club were trying to get the council to agree to the scheme. Especially the 500+ flats which would normally need to be a mixture of affordable housing. The club stated that with the NDP costing £750 all in, they needed to get full markup from the housing to justify the cost. And having previously just built the brook house development, which surely fulfilled their affordable housing quota.

All told, the cost for the stadium itself will be far less than this, yet a state of the art stadium, housing, museum, hotel, medical centre, sports centre and more will end up costing close to this figure.

Obviously though journalists now simply report the cost of the stadium as £750m, and don't account for the fact that this is the probable cost for the entire NDP.
 
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