Tottenham Vs Gent: Match Thread

sunnydelight786 · Feb 24, 2017

Trix said:
Couldn't agree more, the pathetic display in Belgium plus Dele are the reasons we are out. At least last night proved we did want to be in the competition (for me at least). I really was in two minds after the first leg whether we were deliberately trying to throw it or not.

And who is to blame for that? Our away record in Europe under MP, and previous managers, has been pathetic. The whole clubs attitude towards European football stinks. We lost in Gent as like usual we started the game slowly. This has been happening too often this season and will be exactly the reason we will end up with fuck all again. But do carry on and celebrate failure as we are masters at that......

Sweetsman · Feb 24, 2017

makeveli said:
Not sure how anyone can take positives about losing to a mid table Belgium team over 2 legs, there is no positives

The positives are the way we played with ten men, the way we played in the home leg, the belief that we showed and the heart that was clearly evident. I was there and at the end, I was very happy with the team, if not the result. They left it all on the pitch.

Led's Zeppelin · Feb 24, 2017

glacierSpurs said:
This.

The way GKN has been handled this season is nothing short of appalling.. So many games we could have his speed doing some good but he could not even make the bench.. As worse as our summer spending could be (and for one I am still leaving them till end of season to judge them), the sporadic matches/minutes they were given to consistently 'play' with team in actual matches were really really very poorly managed by Poch IMHO...

The coaching staff work with the players all week, week in, week out. They take a long term view of young, developing players and do what they believe is the right way to end up with the best player, even if it is a frustrating thing for us to witness. Often this doesn't exactly fit with what the team needs right now, but that's because, as Pochettino keeps repeating , they are trying to build, and it's a long term deal.

Inventing your own criteria like how many games they play this season, and making judgements about the management on that basis seems a bit of a leap in the dark with your eyes closed to me, and is a reaction to a bad result more than a considered assessment of an individual player's progress. Winks gets played more because he's ready. Presumably there are reasons why others don't. It isn't random, that's for sure.

Trix · Feb 24, 2017

sunnydelight786 said:
And who is to blame for that? Our away record in Europe under MP, and previous managers, has been pathetic. The whole clubs attitude towards European football stinks. We lost in Gent as like usual we started the game slowly. This has been happening too often this season and will be exactly the reason we will end up with fuck all again. But do carry on and celebrate failure as we are masters at that......

Who the fuck is celebrating failure? I am yet to see one post doing that. Are you suggesting that everytime we lose we should all just come on here and slate the team regardless of performance?

longtimespur · Feb 24, 2017

Alli's getting a lot of the blame, and rightly so, but I wish we didn't play Dier as a CB.
However good he was in that position in his first season, although playing RB as well, he was much better as a DM last season and should be played there. 2 mistakes from him last night resulted in 2 goals for Genk.
First one from the corner he lost his man and couldn't jump with him when the ball came in.
Second one he played the striker on side originally by being too deep. He was unfortunate with his chest down that the goal came from as he'd made a big effort to get back to cover.
Seems Wanyama is undroppable and Wimmer is out of the picture as well.

sunnydelight786 · Feb 24, 2017

Trix said:
Who the fuck is celebrating failure? I am yet to see one post doing that. Are you suggesting that every time we lose we should all just come on here and slate the team regardless of performance?

Sorry we should celebrate getting dumped out of Europe by some Belgian no hopers, hence throwing away our real chance of silverware. The Game Is About Mediocrity

Led's Zeppelin · Feb 24, 2017

Poysonally, I'm not too upset with Dele.

Observing that it was a rash, stupid, expensive mistake that probably cost us the result adds nothing to the bleeding obvious.

But given how we complain when players show a lack of passion and commitment and are not prepared to get stuck in, look uninterested or uninvolved or have no appetite for the fight, I take Dele's "attitude" and desire every fucking day of the week thank you.

He'll learn. Or maybe he won't. Maybe it's part of why he's so fucking brilliant most of the time.

Kiedis · Feb 24, 2017

longtimespur said:
Alli's getting a lot of the blame, and rightly so, but I wish we didn't play Dier as a CB.
However good he was in that position in his first season, although playing RB as well, he was much better as a DM last season and should be played there. 2 mistakes from him last night resulted in 2 goals for Genk.
First one from the corner he lost his man and couldn't jump with him when the ball came in.
Second one he played the striker on side originally by being too deep. He was unfortunate with his chest down that the goal came from as he'd made a big effort to get back to cover.
Seems Wanyama is undroppable and Wimmer is out of the picture as well.

Dier was pretty wank as a CB in his first season. We let in two goals per match on average with him and Vertonghen as a pairing. And while he's had his shady moments as a CB this season, he's generally been a part of our defence since the start of october. First as a replacement for Alderweireld, then as part of a back three and then as replacement for Vertonghen. We've still got the best defensive record, and he's been doing far better than he did as a CB in his first season.

But he's been bad for a few weeks now. The Liverpool game and the games against Gent were all very poor from him.

Trix · Feb 24, 2017

sunnydelight786 said:
Sorry we should celebrate getting dumped out of Europe by some Belgian no hopers, hence throwing away our real chance of silverware. The Game Is About Mediocrity

Again... WHO is celebrating????

alfie103 · Feb 24, 2017

Led's Zeppelin said:
Poysonally, I'm not too upset with Dele.

Observing that it was a rash, stupid, expensive mistake that probably cost us the result adds nothing to the bleeding obvious.

But given how we complain when players show a lack of passion and commitment and are not prepared to get stuck in, look uninterested or uninvolved or have no appetite for the fight, I take Dele's "attitude" and desire every fucking day of the week thank you.

He'll learn. Or maybe he won't. Maybe it's part of why he's so fucking brilliant most of the time.

There is a difference between being passionate and having appetite for the fight and putting in a leg breaking tackle.

Krafty · Feb 24, 2017

The first leg and Alli are definitely the major factors for the outcome over two legs, but I think there are bigger fundamental flaws with players/team at the moment.

I'm really worried about the Dembele/Wanyama partnership in central midfield. Physically, you couldn't ask for more, but Wanyama is not the best passer technically nor in speed of thought, and when Dembele is off form as he is he slows down the play and offers little attacking threat. As we saw, Wanyama is a bigger goal threat which is alarming. I was screaming at the TV when, in the second half last night, we advanced down the left and no one was in support of Kane in the box, making a cross pointless. Dembele started advancing, but then 35 yards out stopped and dropped deep even though Wanyama was there and in space. Moussa never had any ambition to get near let alone in the box.

With Vincent, as well as he has undoubtedly played, and he took his goal really well, I can't help wanting Dier to find form and be the first choice DM. He is much better positionally, especially when dropping into the back line (Wanyama's positioning for their second was horrid) plus he is a much better passer, quicker with the ball and has a better passing range.

Ideally, I would like it to be Dier and Dembele, or Winks and Wanyama. We lack mental astuteness in central midfield, either our attack dictates the play or the defence (tries to) keeps the opposition out our central midfield never feels more than a filling between the two, especially in Europe.

Mate · Feb 24, 2017

Gent have drawn Genk in the next round.

That will be a real head scratcher for some posters on here

glacierSpurs · Feb 24, 2017

alexn_spurs said:
Gent have drawn Genk in the next round.

That will be a real head scratcher for some posters on here

We could be playing Genk after playing Gent!

nightgoat · Feb 24, 2017

glacierSpurs said:
We could be playing Genk after playing Gent!

That draw just makes last night even more frustrating. We would have had another winnable tie while Man Utd have a trip to Russia and four of the best teams are drawn against each other.

glacierSpurs · Feb 24, 2017

nightgoat said:
That draw just makes last night even more frustrating. We would have had another winnable tie while Man Utd have a trip to Russia and four of the best teams are drawn against each other.

Exactly!! Lyon and Roma would have gotten one strong team out! Schalke and Monchengladbach is another!

This cup is for manure to lose IMO..

Led's Zeppelin · Feb 24, 2017

alfie103 said:
There is a difference between being passionate and having appetite for the fight and putting in a leg breaking tackle.

On the face of it maybe, but anyone looking at it could see that it wasn't a cynical, vicious tackle but a desperate instinctive lunge to get the ball back, made all the more reckless because he felt it was s foul that robbed him of the ball a moment earlier, which it was.

It was a straight red no argument, but it wasn't an premeditated cynical assault designed to hurt a player.

I want him to learn not to do it again, but I want players with that determination to win.

Tiberius Gracchus · Feb 24, 2017

nightgoat said:
Dier hasn't played central midfield this season, except for maybe two or three games at the very start of the season. Last season when he regularly started there he was one of our best players and a complete revelation in that position. It wasn't broken and it didn't need fixing. Pochettino, however, thinks Wanyama is undroppable and there are plenty of posters on here who also seem to think he can do no wrong. He's been rubbish for over a month now and it was his failure to control a simple ball in midfield which lead to the counter that resulted in the erroneous corner Gent equalised from. That was the moment that knocked the momentum out of our good start which was then compounded by Alli's red card.

I'm with you on Wanyama, he can be fantastic but also - at least to my untrained eye - looks really clumsy and generally I think Dier is much better at getting/keeping attacks moving and has an excellent eye for a through-ball; Wanyama seems to slow them down, and I get nervous every time I see him stretching for a challenge. That said, Dier has been poor this season, so while I'd usually prefer him in the middle, I completely see why Pochettino picks Wanyama.

Wanyama has been a good addition but I don't rate him as highly as some, and his arrival may have something to do with pushing Dier to defence, disrupting a player who'd had a great season in the middle

ajspurs · Feb 24, 2017

nightgoat said:
That draw just makes last night even more frustrating. We would have had another winnable tie while Man Utd have a trip to Russia and four of the best teams are drawn against each other.

Agreed, would have been a great chance to have made it to the semis of the competition. We don't play well enough in Europe for me to be greatly optimistic but you never know when you make it that far. Such a shame we've had to play at Wembley.

Bobbins · Feb 24, 2017

I've just finally seen the Alli tackle again in detail.

Utterly vile. Easily could've snapped the guy's leg at the knee and ended his career. I hope the club fines him for that or punishes him in some way, that's one of the worst, most deliberate tackles I've ever seen. Absolutely embarrassed to call him a Spurs player today after that.

jonathanhotspur · Feb 24, 2017

Krafty said:
The first leg and Alli are definitely the major factors for the outcome over two legs, but I think there are bigger fundamental flaws with players/team at the moment.

I'm really worried about the Dembele/Wanyama partnership in central midfield. Physically, you couldn't ask for more, but Wanyama is not the best passer technically nor in speed of thought, and when Dembele is off form as he is he slows down the play and offers little attacking threat. As we saw, Wanyama is a bigger goal threat which is alarming. I was screaming at the TV when, in the second half last night, we advanced down the left and no one was in support of Kane in the box, making a cross pointless. Dembele started advancing, but then 35 yards out stopped and dropped deep even though Wanyama was there and in space. Moussa never had any ambition to get near let alone in the box.

With Vincent, as well as he has undoubtedly played, and he took his goal really well, I can't help wanting Dier to find form and be the first choice DM. He is much better positionally, especially when dropping into the back line (Wanyama's positioning for their second was horrid) plus he is a much better passer, quicker with the ball and has a better passing range.

Ideally, I would like it to be Dier and Dembele, or Winks and Wanyama. We lack mental astuteness in central midfield, either our attack dictates the play or the defence (tries to) keeps the opposition out our central midfield never feels more than a filling between the two, especially in Europe.

I was with you all the way until you suggested dropping Wanyama for Dier. Personally, I'd be looking to upgrade on Dembele with someone who will move the ball more quickly and with more purpose.

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