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IGSpur

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I'd take him the same way I would have taken Roberts a couple of seasons back.

We have no obvious wingers, especially of his calibre. Usually he's the type of player where you'd say he is the best in his age group, but that accolade could go to a few players, but if we somehow got him, I'd be sticking him in cup games,. Only issue is we have Edwards. We definitely wouldn't give both game time, we might not even give one, but can't turn down Sancho.

As others have said I suspect it's half him trying to get a new contract. Last I heard is he was being offered the biggest contract a 17 year old has ever been offered.

His only 'downside' I say that as I have seen him mature over the last year, is that he is very or overly confident in his ability borderline arrogant. He used to hold onto the ball too long, and have to beat the same person thrice over, but I really like him. Always fooling players and as I say he has matured and become more sensible and his decision making has improved. Also has a lovely curler on him from outside of the box. Not seen one posted so customary vid

 

JayB

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I have a hard time seeing us being able to snag a wonderkid from Guardiola. If he were playing for Mourinho, or at Chelsea, or some other graveyard for young talents it would he one thing but Pep does a great job of bringing young players through. He won't be making the consideration that he'll have to move in order to find first team opportunities.
 

Hercules

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I'd take him the same way I would have taken Roberts a couple of seasons back.

We have no obvious wingers, especially of his calibre. Usually he's the type of player where you'd say he is the best in his age group, but that accolade could go to a few players, but if we somehow got him, I'd be sticking him in cup games,. Only issue is we have Edwards. We definitely wouldn't give both game time, we might not even give one, but can't turn down Sancho.

As others have said I suspect it's half him trying to get a new contract. Last I heard is he was being offered the biggest contract a 17 year old has ever been offered.

His only 'downside' I say that as I have seen him mature over the last year, is that he is very or overly confident in his ability borderline arrogant. He used to hold onto the ball too long, and have to beat the same person thrice over, but I really like him. Always fooling players and as I say he has matured and become more sensible and his decision making has improved. Also has a lovely curler on him from outside of the box. Not seen one posted so customary vid



That is where I think we may have a problem. To keep players of a certain ilk you really have to do something extra contract-wise (financial) more so to keep them. Like it or very not, that is what is rife in the game. And sure our top notch youngsters are aware of this.
 

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I'd take him the same way I would have taken Roberts a couple of seasons back.

We have no obvious wingers, especially of his calibre. Usually he's the type of player where you'd say he is the best in his age group, but that accolade could go to a few players, but if we somehow got him, I'd be sticking him in cup games,. Only issue is we have Edwards. We definitely wouldn't give both game time, we might not even give one, but can't turn down Sancho.

As others have said I suspect it's half him trying to get a new contract. Last I heard is he was being offered the biggest contract a 17 year old has ever been offered.

His only 'downside' I say that as I have seen him mature over the last year, is that he is very or overly confident in his ability borderline arrogant. He used to hold onto the ball too long, and have to beat the same person thrice over, but I really like him. Always fooling players and as I say he has matured and become more sensible and his decision making has improved. Also has a lovely curler on him from outside of the box. Not seen one posted so customary vid


That's the first youtube video that's actually been worth posting in the history of posting youtube videos of footballers. He does things that we haven't seen in the PL since late 90's early 2000's.
 

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I have a hard time seeing us being able to snag a wonderkid from Guardiola. If he were playing for Mourinho, or at Chelsea, or some other graveyard for young talents it would he one thing but Pep does a great job of bringing young players through. He won't be making the consideration that he'll have to move in order to find first team opportunities.

While I would love nothiing more for England sake to Guardiola bring the likes of Sancho, Foden, Duncan, Diallo etc. through I think he will soon enough feel the pressure of the Prem, and the need to just out buy his opponents. When he was at Barca he was like Sherwood he knew all of the players and trusted them. Here, with prize money as it is, and the pressure I don't think it as easy to give these guys ago. That's for all clubs tbh.

Our only advantage is we can point to young English signings like Dier and Alli but again these guys had played however much league football. If Sancho came to us, he'd likely have to go into our u23s or train with the first team for a couple of years before being considered.
 

IGSpur

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That's the first youtube video that's actually been worth posting in the history of posting youtube videos of footballers. He does things that we haven't seen in the PL since late 90's early 2000's.

I don't know if you're joking or not but you're welcome. I just watched it too, and you will see the elements of holding the ball a bit too long, or trying to force his way past a player or got it alone when he could just pass and wait for another moment. In the first team that would slow play down and I imagine if we were breaking it allows opposition to get back into position. But as I say he is a lot better and mature though still has some way to go in that area.
 

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At the end of the day, Arsenal can offer him more money than we can due to our wage cap so I would be surprised if he went to us.
 

JayB

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While I would love nothiing more for England sake to Guardiola bring the likes of Sancho, Foden, Duncan, Diallo etc. through I think he will soon enough feel the pressure of the Prem, and the need to just out buy his opponents. When he was at Barca he was like Sherwood he knew all of the players and trusted them. Here, with prize money as it is, and the pressure I don't think it as easy to give these guys ago. That's for all clubs tbh.

Our only advantage is we can point to young English signings like Dier and Alli but again these guys had played however much league football. If Sancho came to us, he'd likely have to go into our u23s or train with the first team for a couple of years before being considered.
Fair enough but Pep did blood in Sane and Jesus last season. At Bayern there were Coman and Kimmich (and possibly others, I don't pay close enough attention to the Bundesliga to know).

While it's true that all of those players are absolutely massive talents who all had the benefit of developing at other clubs before Guardiola ever got his hands on them, it is nevertheless the case that Pep has incorporated young talents into the first team everywhere he's ever been. With City competing on four fronts every season, if their academy products are truly good enough then I'd wager that they will get opportunities, and if they impress then based on Pep's track record they will likely get more.
 

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Dont think you can count sane and jesus.they were both high profile, expensive signings with plenty of previous top flight experience for their respective ages.not the same aa promoting from within.
 

JayB

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Dont think you can count sane and jesus.they were both high profile, expensive signings with plenty of previous top flight experience for their respective ages.not the same aa promoting from within.
That's definitely true, just as it was true for Coman and Kimmich at Bayern, but it still required a manager with a philosophy of playing young talents for a teenager and a 20-year-old to take on such important roles for City last season.

Martin Odegaard and Vincinius Junior arrived at Real Madrid with major fanfare and for a massive fee respectively, but when the time comes for them to potentially be incorporated into the first team it will require a progressive manager.

I'm just saying that Pep has blooded in young players his entire career, and with two domestic cups to cope with every season I really don't think it will suddenly stop now that he's in England.
 

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That's definitely true, just as it was true for Coman and Kimmich at Bayern, but it still required a manager with a philosophy of playing young talents for a teenager and a 20-year-old to take on such important roles for City last season.
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But there is still a massive difference between continuing to develop a young promising player, compared to introducing a player who's never played a minute of first team football.

Like Kimmich and Coman, Poch has taken Alli and Dier (and Kane) two players with a lot of league experience, not high profile by any means and turned them into top quality players. However, he is yet to do it with someone who has had zero minutes before he arrived. Winks seems to be the closest.

No one is debating Poch blooding young players, however and I don't know Bayern I don't know how many of their academy players he brought through compared to young bought players. Whereas at Barca where he knew the players a la Sherwood he was more confident he could trust them. An academy player may be good enough to play PL football but just because a manager has experience in developing young players don't just assume that they will bring them through on that basis, it requires a different type of risk and development skill, that not all managers show
 

JayB

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But there is still a massive difference between continuing to develop a young promising player, compared to introducing a player who's never played a minute of first team football.

Like Kimmich and Coman, Poch has taken Alli and Dier (and Kane) two players with a lot of league experience, not high profile by any means and turned them into top quality players. However, he is yet to do it with someone who has had zero minutes before he arrived. Winks seems to be the closest.

No one is debating Poch blooding young players, however and I don't know Bayern I don't know how many of their academy players he brought through compared to young bought players. Whereas at Barca where he knew the players a la Sherwood he was more confident he could trust them. An academy player may be good enough to play PL football but just because a manager has experience in developing young players don't just assume that they will bring them through on that basis, it requires a different type of risk and development skill, that not all managers show
I acknowledge that there is a difference between young players with first-team experience under their belts and players who have never experienced anything other than development squad football, but my gut feeling is that Guardiola is committed enough to giving young talents opportunities that we will see some Cory academy products given chances, especially in light of the fixture congestion in English football. But won't know one way or another until it plays out over the next few seasons.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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At the end of the day, Arsenal can offer him more money than we can due to our wage cap so I would be surprised if he went to us.
If it was all about money he'd be staying at City surely. Looks like the lad wants to move for footballing reasons so where better to go than Spurs under Poch's tutelage.
 

Hercules

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If it was all about money he'd be staying at City surely. Looks like the lad wants to move for footballing reasons so where better to go than Spurs under Poch's tutelage.

He won't come here to gonin development squad.
 

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But there is still a massive difference between continuing to develop a young promising player, compared to introducing a player who's never played a minute of first team football.

Like Kimmich and Coman, Poch has taken Alli and Dier (and Kane) two players with a lot of league experience, not high profile by any means and turned them into top quality players. However, he is yet to do it with someone who has had zero minutes before he arrived. Winks seems to be the closest.

No one is debating Poch blooding young players, however and I don't know Bayern I don't know how many of their academy players he brought through compared to young bought players. Whereas at Barca where he knew the players a la Sherwood he was more confident he could trust them. An academy player may be good enough to play PL football but just because a manager has experience in developing young players don't just assume that they will bring them through on that basis, it requires a different type of risk and development skill, that not all managers show

part of this was the way Alli seized the moment....remember the summer stories of how he came to preseason and started to crush everyone in the physical challenges?
 

danielneeds

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At some point all the good work Poch has done in the last few years should pay off and see someone choosing to come here who we've got no right getting.

Would love to see him and Edwards tearing up for us.
 
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