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Vincent Janssen

SpursDave88

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He showed, in absolute terms, improvement from his first appearances to his last appearances. If you count improvement only in number of goals, you'll miss how he really developed.

He was shockingly bad in his first game and he was shockingly bad in his last game. Little to no ability. Will be shocked if he ever does a half decent impression of a PL level center forward.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Please explain to me (and I suspect many others) what you mean by the expression 'in absolute terms' ??
That's a polite way of saying: "You are a proper stubborn dickhead with the sight of my very old grand uncle and the football understanding of my mum if you failed to spot his improvement."
 
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Krule

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I respectfully asked a question in a friendly manner....making a statement is fine so long as you can back it up with facts or an explanation...I assume by your insultive response you cannot. Says everything.....
 

Everlasting Seconds

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I love how the only thing that will make you more unpopular on SC than criticising a Spurs player, is actually defending a Spurs player. :ROFLMAO: That is really messed up. I'd like to take this opportunity to point out one thing I've noticed over time. It it is quite frequent that the SC majority is dead wrong in estimating a current Spurs player, good, bad or otherwise.
 

Shea

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He showed, in absolute terms, improvement from his first appearances to his last appearances. If you count improvement only in number of goals, you'll miss how he really developed.
I don't think any supposed improvement is obvious by any means

I think it's subjective

Personally I really don't think I saw a great deal if any improvement in him

If anything the best I've seen him look in a spurs shirt was his cameo at Wembley when we lost to Monaco and he set up Kane who failed to convert

Even at the end of the season playing in a team that was swamping it's opponents and he had no pressure he looked well out of his depth and a clear weak link

Obviously you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to think it's more optimism and hope that makes you see the supposed improvemen

But I really don't think the improvement is unquestionable because at best it's minor
 

Shea

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I love how the only thing that will make you more unpopular on SC than criticising a Spurs player, is actually defending a Spurs player. :ROFLMAO: That is really messed up. I'd like to take this opportunity to point out one thing I've noticed over time. It it is quite frequent that the SC majority is dead wrong in estimating a current Spurs player, good, bad or otherwise.
There's nothing wrong with defending a spurs player, it doesn't make you unpopular it's just some people disagree with your assessment (others agree)

As for being wrong - I was wrong about Harry Kane so I don't claim that my opinion is any empirical evidence that janssen will not prove to be good enough

But still it is my honest opinion based on what I've seen of him thus far
 

BringBack_leGin

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By the end of the season Jansssn was impacting games by coming on and injecting energy and link up play into the forward line, unsettling stubborn defences in the process.
Reminded me of Kuyt at Liverpool, never a regular goal scorer but very selfless and effective. Yes, he did score more than Janssen (roughly one in four) but then again he played every bloody game he was fit for.
 

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It is interesting how much he's been written off, after just 45 mins of the first pre-season game. It seems obvious he's going to be our 2/3rd striker this season (if you include Son) and some of you may be right.

Come Christmas we should know if there's a player there. For me, I think there is but I could be wrong. What's telling for me is the team trust him and he gets on with them, also Pochettino has a ruthless streak and if he wasn't doing it in training then he'd be gone and we'd be looking for that elusive second striker......again.

So I'm going to trust Pochettino and the lads who work with him every day and my eyes as there's a player in there, he just needs to chill and not try so hard. If he gets an early goal in the Premier this year, we could see a very different player imho (he's much more relaxed at international level)
 
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shelfboy68

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Think this fella needs a goal or two early into the new season to set him on his way, if he can confidence should grow and it may set the tone.
 

Krule

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I love how the only thing that will make you more unpopular on SC than criticising a Spurs player, is actually defending a Spurs player. :ROFLMAO: That is really messed up. I'd like to take this opportunity to point out one thing I've noticed over time. It it is quite frequent that the SC majority is dead wrong in estimating a current Spurs player, good, bad or otherwise.

The fundamental quality of a forum is the ability of every member to have a voice...a view or an opinion on a subject which whilst not necessarily shared is acknowledged and respected by everyone. Such voices though, in order to be credible, need supportive information and facts. Therefore, to simply make a statement such as "he is rubbish" or 'he is brilliant" isn't enough to form a convincing argument for your beliefs.
When someone posts :

"He showed, in absolute terms, improvement from his first appearances to his last appearances. If you count improvement only in number of goals, you'll miss how he really developed."

Then surely a reader is allowed to respectfully and politely ask the writer what 'absolute terms' means and in what way has the player 'really developed' ??....without receiving such a negative and acidic response....which immediately suggests that the supportive data is non existent.

I do however totally agree with your comment that usually we are all completely inaccurate in our overall assessment of a player.....but that's the fun of this place.....not always being right.(y)
 
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septicsac

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This guy unfortunately is not good enough to be Gary Doherty's deputy never mind Harry's. Time to move on, we cannot afford to sit round hoping he comes good.
 
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This guy unfortunately is not good enough to be Gary Doherty's deputy never mind Harry's. Time to move on, we cannot afford to sit round hoping he comes good.
He deserves at least 5 more months to prove himself. If he is still shit by then, then we buy a replacement in January.
 

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This guy unfortunately is not good enough to be Gary Doherty's deputy never mind Harry's. Time to move on, we cannot afford to sit round hoping he comes good.
Oh, so a 23 yr old striker learning his trade in the world's most competitive league just gets binned off because you want top drawer expensive back up? I expect you also try trainers out for an eve then take them back to get your money back.
 

THFCSPURS19

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This guy unfortunately is not good enough to be Gary Doherty's deputy never mind Harry's. Time to move on, we cannot afford to sit round hoping he comes good.
What makes you so sure his replacement would hit the ground running?
 

THFCSPURS19

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Any replacement is extremely unlikely to be any worse than Janssen.
Sure. But there's no guarantee they'd be better, which is my point. Why should we bother buying another striker when we could just see how Janssen gets on next season? We won't pay big money for another striker so his replacement would likely be a young player and another risk.
 

peterballb

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I believe people are being very harsh on Janssen. He has gone from the Eerste Divisie to the Eredivisie and then to the PL in three years. He has just turned 23 and is playing one of the two positions on the pitch that are so grossly results oriented. People miss all that goes in to the game. He either scores, or he does not. As I see it, he was not working hard enough last season in training. He was called on the carpet by Pochettino and did not play very much until he earned it again. The last month and a half of the season he played really well. Bringing players in, holding up the ball. Serving as a very competent get the game over the line fill in for Kane. He is not going to play in place of Kane. He will provide rest for Kane. Like Nkoudou, his job is to continue to develop and yes, he needs to take his chances. I believe he will be much better this year as his performances for country have shown. He and Nkoudou have both come to camp with great attitudes and I believe both will succeed. If they don't they both know they are 6-12 months from being gone. They deserve that time though.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Sure. But there's no guarantee they'd be better, which is my point. Why should we bother buying another striker when we could just see how Janssen gets on next season? We won't pay big money for another striker so his replacement would likely be a young player and another risk.
You're wasting your time saying anything sensible to Dave because you're extremely unlikely to get a sensible response in return, the likely result will be another dig which is more aimed at getting a rise out of people than anything constructive. His last however many posts have been just that so its hardly likely to change now :D
 

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There is more to a strikers game overall but ultimately they are judged on goals scored.
He was shockingly bad in his first game and he was shockingly bad in his last game. Little to no ability. Will be shocked if he ever does a half decent impression of a PL level center forward.
You'll be shot by the Janssen rose tinted spectacles brigade for this post
 
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iddebu52

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If Poch believes he'll give him another shot, that's good enough for me. Need to support the guy end of. IPWT.
 
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