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danielneeds

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How exactly does a kid get from our U21's, one of the most promising U20 players in the country to "make it here" without ever getting a chance to play here. Even if he has a cracking season with Villa (like Pritchard did before we signed Njie) if we are paying money for 20yo's to fill our squad, even a good loan season won't do it.

There's no "by all accounts" with Onomah, he is promising. No matter how good Diop turns out to be (and I have no idea) you're not telling me 14 games for Celta Vigo makes him a load more viable than our own very promising, U20 World Cup winner? He might turn out to be the next Viera, but you don't know that, and I doubt anyone does.
Of course I don't know what Diop's potential is, but we can't just rely on Josh making it and not bring in other outstanding talents.

If Onomah does have a standout season in the Championship it may go a long way to convincing Poch that he can be trusted in the central midfield pivot position. I truly hope he does.
 

Blake Griffin

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Depends how wedded Poch wants to be to the 3-4-3 this season.

i'm sure we'll use it a lot but if two are out injured then poch would no doubt just switch to a back four rather than bring in ccv. i'm not criticising him here as tbh i don't think ccv is ready for this level yet either so i think it would be best for everyone if he went out and played some games.
 

Blake Griffin

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CCV was still here and allowed us to rotate in cup games.

that was hardly done out of necessity, more that we just picked the easiest games of the season to give him some playing time. i hardly think it's worth keeping him here so he can play four games a season and i imagine he will be feeling the same way - which was my original point.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Of course I don't know what Diop's potential is, but we can't just rely on Josh making it and not bring in other outstanding talents.

If Onomah does have a standout season in the Championship it may go a long way to convincing Poch that he can be trusted in the central midfield pivot position. I truly hope he does.


Like it did the trick for Pritchard ?

What if he's already played Diop and he does OK ? It wouldn't mean he's necessarily better or bigger potential than Onomah, it would just mean he got a better crack with Poch and now Onomah is further down the pecking order and would just want to leave like Pritchard and Bentaleb ended up having to just to get to play or even sit on someone's bench.

I really don't understand the logic of (buying and) giving players like Njie, Nkoudou, Diop, Tolijan the chances before we give them to people like Pritchard, Oduwa, KWP and Onomah - none of those are uber experienced, super high rated as having more potential than our very best young players, the only difference is they have had a dozen starts or so more and have shown some potential in real games for their original clubs. If our kids got those 12 games they just might be at exactly the same level. 12 game potential level.
 

thefierycamel

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Would be far better to give TOB game time than buy this guy. Any thoughts on how far away tanganga is from the senior squad?
 

spurs9

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Like it did the trick for Pritchard ?

What if he's already played Diop and he does OK ? It wouldn't mean he's necessarily better or bigger potential than Onomah, it would just mean he got a better crack with Poch and now Onomah is further down the pecking order and would just want to leave like Pritchard and Bentaleb ended up having to just to get to play or even sit on someone's bench.

I really don't understand the logic of (buying and) giving players like Njie, Nkoudou, Diop, Tolijan the chances before we give them to people like Pritchard, Oduwa, KWP and Onomah - none of those are uber experienced, super high rated as having more potential than our very best young players, the only difference is they have had a dozen starts or so more and have shown some potential in real games for their original clubs. If our kids got those 12 games they just might be at exactly the same level. 12 game potential level.
I agree with you re Onomah and Diop, I only want us to buy a CM if they are top class. I can see why we are interested in Toljan though due to his versatility and can share the burden with KWP when Trippier is Injured, raking some of the pressure off and play other positions when Trippier is fit, so not blocking KWP.
 

spurs9

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i think is enough and it would take three of them being injured for ccv to get a game.
That's not enough when we sometimes play 3 at the back and one of our CBs is also back up DM.
 

coys200

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id say Ccv be handy to have around but barring injury if we buy Sanchez he won't get a look in.we would pretty much have best back 3 in Europe .
 

coys200

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In regard to diop .We'd have diop winks onomah TOB fighting to be future CM I say let the best man win.
 

danielneeds

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Like it did the trick for Pritchard ?

What if he's already played Diop and he does OK ? It wouldn't mean he's necessarily better or bigger potential than Onomah, it would just mean he got a better crack with Poch and now Onomah is further down the pecking order and would just want to leave like Pritchard and Bentaleb ended up having to just to get to play or even sit on someone's bench.

I really don't understand the logic of (buying and) giving players like Njie, Nkoudou, Diop, Tolijan the chances before we give them to people like Pritchard, Oduwa, KWP and Onomah - none of those are uber experienced, super high rated as having more potential than our very best young players, the only difference is they have had a dozen starts or so more and have shown some potential in real games for their original clubs. If our kids got those 12 games they just might be at exactly the same level. 12 game potential level.
You keep going back to Pritchard but don't have any context or information as to why we decided to let him go. There is so much more to a player's development than we can see on the pitch. Did Pritchard do enough when injured to come back in top shape? Was he taking care of himself properly? What was his attitude like? All these things are part of how Poch and McDermott assess these guys, making decisions on them as people not just players.

We know from people who follow the youth teams that Josh's attittude and work ethic are liked by the club, and he's already gotten more 1st team game time than Pritchard ever did, so this loan can be a springboard to becoming a first teamer here if he really seizes his chance, regardless of who we sign.
 

Clark28

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If this kid is a DM he will be playing alongside Onomah/Winks, not in place of them.

Besides Wanyama we don't have another DM unless we pull Dier out of CB duties.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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How exactly does a kid get from our U21's, one of the most promising U20 players in the country to "make it here" without ever getting a chance to play here. Even if he has a cracking season with Villa (like Pritchard did before we signed Njie) if we are paying money for 20yo's to fill our squad, even a good loan season won't do it.

There's no "by all accounts" with Onomah, he is promising. No matter how good Diop turns out to be (and I have no idea) you're not telling me 14 games for Celta Vigo makes him a load more viable than our own very promising, U20 World Cup winner? He might turn out to be the next Viera, but you don't know that, and I doubt anyone does.
I think you're worrying over things that may never happen.

You cant predict the future in football. Who knows if Dier, Eriksen will even be at the Club next season? Who knows if Diop goes out on loan next season when Ononmah returns?

All we can say is Onomah will most probably be a much better player when he returns to us next season, and that is a positive for him and us at the end of the day.
 

newbie

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have responded by playing our big guns Oliver Skipp (16) and Tim Eyoma (17)!
Like it did the trick for Pritchard ?

What if he's already played Diop and he does OK ? It wouldn't mean he's necessarily better or bigger potential than Onomah, it would just mean he got a better crack with Poch and now Onomah is further down the pecking order and would just want to leave like Pritchard and Bentaleb ended up having to just to get to play or even sit on someone's bench.

I really don't understand the logic of (buying and) giving players like Njie, Nkoudou, Diop, Tolijan the chances before we give them to people like Pritchard, Oduwa, KWP and Onomah - none of those are uber experienced, super high rated as having more potential than our very best young players, the only difference is they have had a dozen starts or so more and have shown some potential in real games for their original clubs. If our kids got those 12 games they just might be at exactly the same level. 12 game potential level.

I think josh is seen as Dmbeles long term replacemen and is being patiently prepped to take over.
 

Krafty

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U23s looked good, but light in central midfield but looked to compete well against a much more experienced team, and looked physically able to match up, which is pleasing as we clearly like technical skills and if we have players who tick that box as well as have physicality in various guises then they should progress really well and quickly
 

Anuth

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Spurs U18s (v @NorwichCityFC): De Bie (c), Lock, Hinds, Bowden, Omolabi, Lyons-Foster, Markanday, Reynolds, Griffiths, A Shashoua, Patterson

Spurs U18s subs (v @NorwichCityFC): P Maghoma, Mukendi, Statham, Asante, Oluwayemi (GK).
 
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