bubble07
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Jenas analysed it perfectly. If trippier and davies backed themselves to beat their opponents with pace they would have but they didnt
Tottenham vs Chelsea: Match Thread
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Jenas analysed it perfectly. If trippier and davies backed themselves to beat their opponents with pace they would have but they didnt
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Which in turn makes it harder for other players to find spaces.
dondo
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Lol can't make out the numbersprobably best stop here now then
The pitch map on the link you sent is a blur mate stop being a prick all your life
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OK... I've finally cooled down.
Looking at it now, IMO there's not to much to worry about.
To the people saying "Oh no, we're going to be terrible this season" or "Oh no, we'll lose to loads of teams at Wembley", I'm honestly not that worried.
We were playing against the second best defense in the league (after ours), and their whole gameplan was just to park the bus and hope for moments of magic/luck.
How many teams are going to set up against us this season parking the bus with 5ATB and 3 holding midfielders? Even if they do, most teams wouldn't have good enough defenders to keep us out as all game.
How many teams are going to score2 goals from 2 shots on target against us? How many times would Lloris make a terrible mistake costing us the game? How many times would our opponents bang a 25 yard free kick top corner?
Basically I feel it was just a series of exceptionally unfortunate events happening in one game. Absolutely no need for the meltdown some people are having.
Looking at it now, IMO there's not to much to worry about.
To the people saying "Oh no, we're going to be terrible this season" or "Oh no, we'll lose to loads of teams at Wembley", I'm honestly not that worried.
We were playing against the second best defense in the league (after ours), and their whole gameplan was just to park the bus and hope for moments of magic/luck.
How many teams are going to set up against us this season parking the bus with 5ATB and 3 holding midfielders? Even if they do, most teams wouldn't have good enough defenders to keep us out as all game.
How many teams are going to score2 goals from 2 shots on target against us? How many times would Lloris make a terrible mistake costing us the game? How many times would our opponents bang a 25 yard free kick top corner?
Basically I feel it was just a series of exceptionally unfortunate events happening in one game. Absolutely no need for the meltdown some people are having.
dondo
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That's not what can through on your link.
So according to you and your fucking pitch maps poch sent out the team today to play a 2 at the back system against last seasons champions
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Agree, it's those crucial moments, if he'd flicked it on past the chelsea player we were on the attack again and who knows may have gone on to score the winning goal ourselves. He was shot by then,will need a couple of games to get back up to speed
Hengy1
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No need to get angry because you are clearly wrong buddy. I sent the link where I got the pic from.
If Dier was a 3rd Cb then his average position would clearly be further back
Here's a pic from the Chelsea facup semi when Dier was clearly a 3rd Cb
dondo
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I'm not angry bud.
Different match different situation.I just never found heat maps/ average position in stats that insightful to what actually happens on the pitch imo
Hengy1
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Okay that's your choice but you cannot come on and dismiss others that see it for what it is and have the stats to prove it.
Any move on to Burnley next week when Dier doesn't start at all and we play more attacking football
dondo
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I can and I will because your stats are based on bullshit
And prove nothing.
Ps dier always starts under poch
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After watching the stream I saw lots of Spurs fans bemoaning our lack of pace at WB, with Walker gone and Rose injured (and probably pouting too.) I didn't really agree or disagree tbh, until seeing Jenas' analysis on MOTD. He demonstrated very neatly that it wasn't due to lack of pace that Trippier and Davies were found wanting, it was for lack of bollocks. They were both far too timid, and should have been making runs wide instead of playing back/sideways passes. They didn't need to beat their man for pace, they just needed to commit them in order to create space for Dele and Kane inside. Trippier did it once, the pitch opened up, and we almost scored. Poch has to pick this up; it's a coaching issue.
That being said, I'd not turn my nose up at a decent quick winger. as long as they're not just quick. We might as well get Townsend back in if that's the case.
That being said, I'd not turn my nose up at a decent quick winger. as long as they're not just quick. We might as well get Townsend back in if that's the case.
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They've done it for twenty odd years now.
You're still the winner today.
You support Spurs and not them.
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That's one way of looking at it. I disagree. IDK if they lacked they lacked the balls to do it. They clearly lacked the athleticism. Not on the offensive end. On the defensive one. The further foreward they got the more they'd have to track back on defense to defend against counters. Neither has the pace to do so. We're going to continue to struggle against the better sides as long as we're playing wingless starting these two.
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Except we were a goal down so both Wing Backs were naturally more conservative in that situation. Rightly or wrongly.
What's the logic behind this? I'd presume a team is less conservative when behind as they need a goal.
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Wrongly, IMO. If you're a goal down in a derby game in your first match at a new home venue, you fucking well go hell for leather.
LLoris and Wanyama were at fault for the winner but I thought Dier had the worst performance today. He seemed slow and ponderous and there were a few times when he could have released Trippier, particularly in first half. Was no surprise that Poch brought him off first
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