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thekneaf

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Just realised that people saying Dortmund were under strength can get lost. Technically we were missing 3 first teamers too. Rose, Wanyama and Dele. Lump Rues and Lamela in the same bracket and there's not much difference. Toljan is expected to be starting German full back at the world cup as well.
 
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thekneaf said:
Just realised that people saying Dortmund were under strength can get lost. Technically we were missing 3 first teamers too. Rose, Wanyama and Dele. Lump Rues and Lamela in the same bracket and there's not much difference. Toljan is expected to be starting German full back at the world cup as well.
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Not really.
 
Dharmabum

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Gb160 said:
I disagree with almost all of this mate.
There's a massive difference between dominating possession and being 'played off the park', We played Everton off the park, BD did no such thing to us.
Why do you mention their disallowed goal, but no mention that the goal they scored had an offside ignored in the build up?
We also has key players missing, Rose, Wanyama, Dele.
They had a lot of the ball but did fuck all with it most of the time, when we got chances we were clynical....Hugo didn't really have that much to do.
You come across like the bitter BD fans did on twitter the other night....no offence.
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I said Spurs were "outplayed" and not played off the park. There is a big difference there as well.
Not sure if you noticed that Bor. D. had in a fact a few huge chances.
Son scored the open and if Dele had played Son would not have started :cool:Davies had one of his best games, so Rose was not missed really and one could argue whether Wanyama had started over either Dier or Dembele (both played below par yes and 1 of them would highly likely have been subbed has Wanyana been fit). Bor. D. missed most of their defense, half of their attack. I am just mentioning this as if those players are back it will be a more effective Bor. D. Spurs will meet away.
No, I am not at all bitter; not sure where you get that from. Just being realistic. Spurs played much better vs Chelski, but not - however, most of the individual players did better in that game than vs Bor. D. yet some players got rated poorer. The difference was Spurs won this game but played "poorer". Of course, I am very happy with the result and I did mention I am happy Pochattino have realised that possession football is not always the best way to win games. That's how the likes of Chelski, Porto, Inter have won the CL in recent years.
 
Dharmabum

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spurs9 said:
Possibly 4 of them would have played IMO, but then again Rose, Wanyama and Lamela would have possibly played if not injured.

Edit: and of course Alli if not suspended.
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Yes, true but if Lamela had started I doubt Son would have started nor would he have started if Dele had played.
Davies played one of his best - if not the best - game in the CL; and Rose was not that much missed.
It can be argued whether Wanyama would have started over Dier and/or Dembele (although both played rather poorly).
Bor. D. missed 3/4 of their defense and Reus and, to a less degree, Schurrle, are important players in their attacking system.
Anyway, Spurs won :p
 
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Does anyone know how many Dortmund fans were there? What was their allocation?
 
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thekneaf said:
I've read it


I've heard it from a few Germans
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Probably BVB fans who are overexcited with Toljan. He played a very good U21 tournament but still has not featured for the seniors.
LB are Hector, Plattenhardt and probably Halstenberg (and Höwedes) ahead of him, RB is without a doubt Kimmich.

Still could play a part at the World Cup, but he needs a very good season at Dortmund while competing with their captain Schmelzer. Time will tell.
 
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carpediem991 said:
Probably BVB fans who are overexcited with Toljan. He played a very good U21 tournament but still has not featured for the seniors.
LB are Hector, Plattenhardt and probably Halstenberg (and Höwedes) ahead of him, RB is without a doubt Kimmich.

Still could play a part at the World Cup, but he needs a very good season at Dortmund while competing with their captain Schmelzer. Time will tell.
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Tbf it was Schmelzer's place in the German national set up this guy saw Toljan taking. Seemed to think Toljan is already a better option for club and country
 
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thekneaf said:
Tbf it was Schmelzer's place in the German national set up this guy saw Toljan taking. Seemed to think Toljan is already a better option for club and country
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Schmelzer is out of favour for Jogi Löw. Hasn't picked him for a long time. At Dortmund though could be different as he is as I mentioned the captain. (Injured at the moment though).
Toljan has bags of potential.
 
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Phomesy said:
Does anyone know how many Dortmund fans were there? What was their allocation?
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I read somewhere that they had 4,200...which is probably about right as away teams can request up to 5% allocation in European fixtures.
 
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Dharmabum said:
I said Spurs were "outplayed" and not played off the park. There is a big difference there as well.
Not sure if you noticed that Bor. D. had in a fact a few huge chances.
Son scored the open and if Dele had played Son would not have started :cool:Davies had one of his best games, so Rose was not missed really and one could argue whether Wanyama had started over either Dier or Dembele (both played below par yes and 1 of them would highly likely have been subbed has Wanyana been fit). Bor. D. missed most of their defense, half of their attack. I am just mentioning this as if those players are back it will be a more effective Bor. D. Spurs will meet away.
No, I am not at all bitter; not sure where you get that from. Just being realistic. Spurs played much better vs Chelski, but not - however, most of the individual players did better in that game than vs Bor. D. yet some players got rated poorer. The difference was Spurs won this game but played "poorer". Of course, I am very happy with the result and I did mention I am happy Pochattino have realised that possession football is not always the best way to win games. That's how the likes of Chelski, Porto, Inter have won the CL in recent years.
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Not sure if you noticed but so did we....more than BD.
Davies played well but I'm sure almost all of us would admit that Rose is the better player, and even without Sons goal we'd had won, and that's completely dismissing any chances that Dele might've created/converted.
You seem to confuse having possession with dominating, weren't outplayed buddy, this was a clear tactic.
You're not being 'realistic'...you're being inaccurate imo, as i pointed out you're happy to bring up their disallowed goal but failed to mention the one they got away with and scored their only goal from, its a quite an odd omission...but it fits with your 'we were lucky' narrative i suppose.
 
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We had rumours with Toljan, and I quite wanted him.

Then the match just showed we did the better business with Aurier!
 
Dharmabum

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Gb160 said:
Not sure if you noticed but so did we....more than BD.
Davies played well but I'm sure almost all of us would admit that Rose is the better player, and even without Sons goal we'd had won, and that's completely dismissing any chances that Dele might've created/converted.
You seem to confuse having possession with dominating, weren't outplayed buddy, this was a clear tactic.
You're not being 'realistic'...you're being inaccurate imo, as i pointed out you're happy to bring up their disallowed goal but failed to mention the one they got away with and scored their only goal from, its a quite an odd omission...but it fits with your 'we were lucky' narrative i suppose.
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Fact is that Son did in fact score the opener. You cannot say if he'd scored the game would have ended 2-1 to Spurs. If Bor. D. had gone 1 up (they scored the next goal), the game could have turned out differently. That goal "lifted" the so-called CL spell off Spurs' shoulders to some extent. And fact is that Son did score.
There were several comments - not just from me - who said that Rose was not missed in this game. Yes, Rose pre-injury was a better player but the extended playing time Davies been having have made him a better player.
You have mentioned it twice now that that build up to Bor. D. was an off-side. I did not have to mention it as I agree with you on that :)
I know it was tactic from Spurs' side to play "defensively." This is the 3rd time I am telling it. If you read the previous posts I am clearly stating that.
 
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