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Archibald&Crooks

Archibald&Crooks

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Does the manager not prepare the players well enough as a ritual habit or does he pick and choose? Is his in game management poor when we lose or weekly?

Do we win despite him and his poor in game management?

I ask because it's as obvious as the nose on Barry Manilow's face that you don't get those results, over a period of time, by being 'poor' or by not preparing your players properly.

Last season we won 2 games in three and only lost 4 times. Was his in game management poor in all those games or only the ones we failed to win?

There's nothing wrong with his in game management, it's simply that he doesn't do things you want him to do, when you want him to do them. That's it. And I still await the guarantee that your suggested changes would have worked. Give me that and you might have a point. But you can't. It's fair enough to say you'd have done things differently but to say that because he didn't his in game management IS poor is just wrong.

Yes, as that codpiece @michaelden suggested, I am a Bastard Son of MP :D

The man is a fucking god. Leave him alone, he's even above Daniel Levy in the can't do no wrong stakes :woot:
 
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raggy

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We've won more games from losing positions than any other team in the Premier League over the past 2 seasons. This thread is complete nonsense.
 
Lighty64

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Archibald&Crooks said:
I can't believe we've fluked our way to two fantastic seasons with the shitty way he 'manages' games.

When we win it's never his in game management is excellent and if that's the case (and it is) then this is all boo hoo we never won rubbish based on nothing more than he didn't do what you would have done or wanted him to do which, by the way, there's no guarantee would have made any difference either.
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after reading some of this can't be bothered with all of it, but we must be fast approaching "The Mirror" post from last season.

doesn't matter it's all Levy's fault for not buying all our players before the 3rd July:rolleyes:
 
Bus-Conductor

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raggy said:
We've won more games from losing positions than any other team in the Premier League over the past 2 seasons. This thread is complete nonsense.
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One of those seasons we also lost more points from winning positions too. 3 of the last 4 seasons, Poch's teams (us twice, Southampton once) have been the side that has conceded more points from winning positions I believe.

I think whatever is good about us now, which is a shit load of stuff, is down to Poch, but there does seem to be something in this in game management thing.

I think the last two games have been good examples of pretty curious decisions that have definitely not been very logical that have definitely not has positive effects.
 
Lighty64

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One of those seasons we also lost more points from winning positions too. 3 of the last 4 seasons, Poch's teams (us twice, Southampton once) have been the side that has conceded more points from winning positions I believe.

I think whatever is good about us now, which is a shit load of stuff, is down to Poch, but there does seem to be something in this in game management thing.

I think the last two games have been good examples of pretty curious decisions that have definitely not been very logical that have definitely not has positive effects.
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like every man and his dog, mistakes are made, by every single one of us.

it's not Poch's fault that our players failed to put their chances away in both matches, and Lloris decided to let the ball under his body for the Chelsea result
 
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There is nothing wrong with his in-game management. His problem is that he doesn't have options to come off the bench. It seems to be a repeating problem this season too.

That isn't on Poch.
 
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Is it less about Poch but more about the lack of quality options available to him on the bench that he doesn't believe they will have a positive impact on the game.

We have a solid a solid 1 to 11 but lack any game changing sub.
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Most of the bench are his signings or are we to believe poch has no say in those matters. I have always believed poch hasn't a clue when signing attacking players. Im just glad the whole berahino saga ended in failure for us as he isn't that good and would have been another 25m down the toilet.
 
Jody

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Is it not that we only really know how to play one way? If we knew and trained how to sit back and soak up pressure before the counter attack, like a mourinho team, we'd be able to make said changes. At the moment we'd just be changing tired players for fresher players. I think Lamela is probably the exception to this rule and offers something truly different from the bench. That's in spite of being poch's main man for the press.
 
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like every man and his dog, mistakes are made, by every single one of us.

it's not Poch's fault that our players failed to put their chances away in both matches, and Lloris decided to let the ball under his body for the Chelsea result
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But this his job, what he gets paid a couple of million a year to do, we all make mistakes, but when it's in our work we know their will be consequencess and we will be expected to not keep making those mistakes. Or at least learn from them and minimise them.
 
Lighty64

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But this his job, what he gets paid a couple of million a year to do, we all make mistakes, but when it's in our work we know their will be consequencess and we will be expected to not keep making those mistakes. Or at least learn from them and minimise them.
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and I'm sure he has had Lloris doing a bit extra in training to try and prevent the same mistake he made v Chelsea

Over the last 2 seasons we have improved and most probably a couple of years quicker than expected, but when he sends his team out every game, but it is impossible to know how every single move in the game will happen and he can only do so much. It's up to the players to go out and perform.

You've been following us as long as me or longer, before Poch came along have you ever known us to have the best defencive stats for a season let alone 2? Have you seen us having such a positive GD as we have the last 2 seasons? I know I haven't
 
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Really poor from Poch as usual. Kane could and should have been subbed off for Lorente just after the hour mark with the game already won. Likewise with Erikson, instead he eeks out every last bit of energy from them before making a sub. And then when a sub is made they aren't the best either, Dembele could have been completely rested to get him more prepared for the next game, Winks and Dier would have been enough.. These are perfect examples of poor game and man management from him that infuriates me. Important game coming up, rest the important players ffs....
 
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Funny, cos on one hand his in game tactics today were great, on the other, I'm really surprised how long he took to sub out Son. He was pretty much done after 65 minutes today. And for about 15 mins he was a non presence on the field. That said, Poch options off the bench weren't great. Tough call.
 
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He went from genius to clown again in 1 game. Really scratching my head at his tactics again... Smh. He set us up for failure from the moment he picked the team and formation today. The players from Weds would have been on a high, pick the same team and go attack Swansea... Why oh why would you want to blunt out attack by putting Son at lwb for an hour? Wasted precious time and chances to get a goal.

Terrible decision making today Poch. Utterly terrible.
 
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