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Nya Kirby and TOB are the best he has worked with
He called Paul a ball playing CB though
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He called Paul a ball playing CB though
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I don't see them being used, as we have Dier , Davies, Foyth, plus Wanyama that would all likely drop into CB if needs be. Or we could just change to 2 at the back
But to answer the question, with CCV away yes I'd put Tanganga next in line
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Nya Kirby and TOB are the best he has worked with
He called Paul a ball playing CB though
Tbf I think Paul was a CB at u16 when I assume he was with us.
I know I've said it before, but I said when they were u16s you'd struggle to find a better midfield 2 in Europe than those 2. That's how much they impressed me. Now seeing a coach, who has coached at a club that has won numerous FAYCs and UYL's also say they are the best he's worked with is impressive, and I give myself a pat on the back. Eye for talent haha. Anyway he's named TOB has the best player he has worked with, we'll see if he is ever deemed good enough for our first team
I also wonder if he has few Spurs players in his mind when he mentions younger ones, I can think of some who have caught my eye but need to see more of them. You'll be hard pressed to standout as much as those two, though Skipp also did, and look how well he's doing now. Anyone know the timelines he worked with both clubs. He mentioned RLC and then some 9 year old at Chelsea, I wonder if he overlapped.
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I also love when a coach confirms what you've seen. It is really obvious, but you rarely get this insight from a coach. I have always said at u16s you can tell we like to encourage individuality so that when they come through we have lots of different 'types' to work with
Whats the one big difference that you noted between the culture of the 2 clubs?
Very different philosophies in terms of developing players at the younger age groups. Spurs had a much greater emphasis on individual technique. Chelsea also incorporated this but was also focused on the team and creating a winning mentality. Both clubs have had great success
I also think it is easy to see this in Chelsea, how by the time u18s come round they have very organised and dominant teams with quality players. Whereas we start a bit slower at u18s as we start developing the team side more
Whats the one big difference that you noted between the culture of the 2 clubs?
Very different philosophies in terms of developing players at the younger age groups. Spurs had a much greater emphasis on individual technique. Chelsea also incorporated this but was also focused on the team and creating a winning mentality. Both clubs have had great success
I also think it is easy to see this in Chelsea, how by the time u18s come round they have very organised and dominant teams with quality players. Whereas we start a bit slower at u18s as we start developing the team side more
Trouble is with wanyama and rose injured .Theres no rotation for dier and Davies.And if you the 3 at the back for big games in october means Toby sanch Jan have to play every game.So for example the West Ham cup game even if you go to a 2 and play foyth means 1 of Toby Jan dier Davies have to play ,so that player will be playing every game in October.Hopefully wanyama is back so can rotate dier.Otherwise it's a bit of an issue.Or you trust foyth to play in the 3 in a big game giving someone a rest.
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I see your point, but Foyth would come in. I'd put Dier at the back, and play Winks/Dembele midfield.
Regardless, there will be other options before Tanganga gets introduced and rightly so. He might only be used in an absolute emergency.
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Paul was terrible at Spurs to the point I genuinely felt Sorry for him,as it stands I would Rate Tangana,BLF better CBs.Nya Kirby and TOB are the best he has worked with
He called Paul a ball playing CB though
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You know what I just remember the Paul moved to RM and RB
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He was hard to stop once he got going but at RB his touch was bad and he often would trip over his own feet.
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Ye he moved to RB and would have the occasional good game but as you say not good enough, especially compared to the CB FB options we have now.
BLF is looking really good isn't he so far. We really have a knack for producing CBs
BLF is looking really good isn't he so far. We really have a knack for producing CBs
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outside of Ledley who have we produced at CB in the last twenty years? We have improved quite a few but they were mostly bought as highly touted prospects we did not produce
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I mean if we're pumping them out why have we bought Sanchez, Toby, Wimmer, Foyth, and even Fazio in the last 3 years
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He is talking about the players we have now and some of them are very young BLF is only 17.
King is still the best youth player I have watched ever to come through our youth setup and no I am not old enough to have watched Hoddle as a kid come through our youth setup unfortunately for me.
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I think I actually prefer the Chelsea approach of the two, although I guess both philosophies could and probably did have elements of the other philosophy. I think nurturing a winning mentality and teaching talented kids how to function better within a group dynamic is possibly more likely to reap long term rewards than just continually polishing individual skills. We seemed to be doing this well in the Inglethorpe/Next Generation era, but that was maybe just serendipitous as we had a group (or two merging) come through together, and since that phase we've commented how the academy teams (especially when Ehiogu was around - though as I sad at the time I'm sure it wasn't his decision but a group one with McDermott act) have clearly prioritised individual development over a collective approach, resulting in kids playing out of position and very mish mash team selections, poor collective team performances and bad results.
I think we were getting it a little bit wrong. I think you can develop the individual in tandem with teaching a strong winning mentality and how to work within the dynamics of the group. I hope that's what we are currently seeing with our U19 group, or maybe, like that Nextgen era, we are just seeing a very good (and complimentary) group come through together ?
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In terms of the most talented youngster to come through, mine would have to be Terry Dixon, before he turned full time. He looked for all the world like a world beater. Opposition teams were just completely aghast at his talent. Touch, balance, aggression, power, finishing, technique, flair...you name it. The kid was a beast.
In regards to Chris Paul; In his younger years with us he was actually a defensively minded CM & regular captain. He was also a regular in the Northern Ireland set up and regular captain. He was always behind everyone else technically but at 14/15 he was the defensive balance that that side needed and the coaches seemed to like him well enough. As other's matured and became more adept in midfield he got shifted around to RB and CB which weren't really his forte, he's too small for CB and not quick or skillful enough for RB. I think he'll find suitors in league football because he can head it and kick it, works hard, has a professional attitude. He's never going to fit into a side requiring technical proficiency but a team that relies on honest hard work and team work will always need someone like Chris Paul.
In regards to Chris Paul; In his younger years with us he was actually a defensively minded CM & regular captain. He was also a regular in the Northern Ireland set up and regular captain. He was always behind everyone else technically but at 14/15 he was the defensive balance that that side needed and the coaches seemed to like him well enough. As other's matured and became more adept in midfield he got shifted around to RB and CB which weren't really his forte, he's too small for CB and not quick or skillful enough for RB. I think he'll find suitors in league football because he can head it and kick it, works hard, has a professional attitude. He's never going to fit into a side requiring technical proficiency but a team that relies on honest hard work and team work will always need someone like Chris Paul.
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Bloody hell, thats impressive. I didn't realise attendances were this high for the MLS. I knew the teams were well supported but thats pretty good. I wonder where the league sits on total attendances over a season compared to the European leagues.
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week most of the teams aren't playing in brand new NFL stadiums like Atlanta. the original plan was to leave the upper deck closed for soccer games but the demand was there. I'm amazed too
Top 10 world soccer attendances (Sept. 15-17)
1. Borussia Dortmund vs. FC Koln (Bundesliga): 81,000
2. Manchester United vs. Everton (English Premier League): 75,042
3. Bayern Munich vs. FC Mainz (Bundesliga): 75,000
4. Atlanta United vs. Orlando City SC (MLS): 70,425
5. Tottenham Hotspur vs. Swansea City (English Premier League): 65,366
6. Atletico Madrid vs. Malaga (La Liga): 63,114
7. Liverpool vs. Burnley (English Premier League): 53,231
8. Newcastle United vs. Stoke City (English Premier League): 51,795
9. VfB Stuttgart vs. VfL Wolfsburg (Bundesliga): 50,500
10. AC Milan vs. Udinese Calcio (Serie A): 49,473
Top 10 world soccer attendances (Sept. 15-17)
1. Borussia Dortmund vs. FC Koln (Bundesliga): 81,000
2. Manchester United vs. Everton (English Premier League): 75,042
3. Bayern Munich vs. FC Mainz (Bundesliga): 75,000
4. Atlanta United vs. Orlando City SC (MLS): 70,425
5. Tottenham Hotspur vs. Swansea City (English Premier League): 65,366
6. Atletico Madrid vs. Malaga (La Liga): 63,114
7. Liverpool vs. Burnley (English Premier League): 53,231
8. Newcastle United vs. Stoke City (English Premier League): 51,795
9. VfB Stuttgart vs. VfL Wolfsburg (Bundesliga): 50,500
10. AC Milan vs. Udinese Calcio (Serie A): 49,473
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To answer your first question, which is also linked to the 2nd question, I meant in general and relatively recently.
I mean before the revamp the best players we produced since Hoddle were King, Campbell and Carr. I don't know any other club that has produced 2 World Class CBs around the same time.
Since the revamp Caulker has come through. We have then produced Veljkovic (Bundesliga and u20 WC winner), CCV (along with Milos was in u20 World Cup TOTT in 2015), Ogilvie (injuries hampered him), Tanganga, Eyoma, Brown, Dinzeyi, BLF, Binks, Walcott who are all internationals. I can't think of many clubs, other than Chelsea that have produced so many top CBs for their age groups. We have done a great job in this area. CBs are arguably harder to bring through as they are the last line of defence so their weaknesses are more exposed but if there if there is anyone that should be able to coach and bring through a CB, it's a former international CB. That has to be his bread and butter and he has plenty of them to choose from and opportunity.
One has felt the need to leave already for chances and he is now regularly playing in the Bundesliga getting great reviews. So we know they should be good enough for Top 5 Euro league football, lets just hope they don't feel they have to leave to get it. The advantage is that the others being English they'd be less inclined to leave.
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thought this was going to be on lfctv but they've got their u18s on instead
also, i bet shashoua wants to see edwards in the first team just as much as we do right now. don't think he's started a game all season bar the international pl2 cup game against west ham.
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