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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 27 11.3%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Toby

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • Verts

    Votes: 143 60.1%
  • Winks

    Votes: 7 2.9%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dele

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Son

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 45 18.9%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nkoudou

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    238

theShiznit

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Glad to see flexibility on the formation from Pochettino and a 4231, when I heard the line up I was worried that we were about to witness Son at left back again.

Performance wasn't great, it wasn't terrible either, it was another struggle to break down a team with no ambition. If we'd scored earlier we'd have murdered them, second half we had enough chances to win by a good margin but we were wasteful. 1-0 flattered Bournemouth.

Lloris made one great save during a first half melee, otherwise had little to do other than the routine.

Trippier was great, really good passing and crossing, nice set pieces, not caught out defensively.

Sanchez was poor, he over committed too often and, while this can be papered over in a three man defence, it can't in a two. Needs to learn when to drop off, when to attack.

Alderweireld was fine, as ever from left centre back his passing was a bit off but otherwise he was solid.

Vertonghen was man of the match, great defensively, great offensively, owned his flank.

Dier was good off the ball, some good challenges, but some of his passes were truly shocking.

Winks was fine but unspectacular, I want more from him now that he has the chance to make himself first choice. Very neat, very willing, but needs to be more Modric and less Jenas otherwise he'll only ever be a bench option to bring on when you need to retain possession.

Eriksen wasn't his best again but he improved as the game wore on, played a delightful pass for Harry and scored his goal after a bit of determination and a lovely finish.

Dele was much better, he drove forward with the ball, pressed well off it and was more decisive than he has been. Much more purposeful.

Son was poor, too weak, too telegraphed and very sloppy.

Kane wasn't his best, he worked hard enough and linked play but he was handled well by his 10 markers and seemed to have lost his shooting boots.

Sissoko had a strong cameo, deserved an assist for his great break aways, put it on a plate for Dele and also set free Nkoudou.

Llorente did little up front but he did clear no fewer than three Bournemouth set pieces.

Nkoudou had one chance, got clattered by the goalie, then looked rather deflated.

Patient performance against bus parkers, not enthralling but at least mature and committed. Think Pochettino erred with our defence, he lost a left back but decided to weaken central defence to compensate, ergo causing far more disruption than necessary. Should just had Alderweireld and Vertonghen as a two, put Aurier or KWP at left back. Yes, Vertonghen was our best player, but both Toby and especially Dave were disadvantaged as a result.
Set him free from a life in football?:whistle:
 

SpursSince1980

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Jan 23, 2011
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Glad to see flexibility on the formation from Pochettino and a 4231, when I heard the line up I was worried that we were about to witness Son at left back again.

Performance wasn't great, it wasn't terrible either, it was another struggle to break down a team with no ambition. If we'd scored earlier we'd have murdered them, second half we had enough chances to win by a good margin but we were wasteful. 1-0 flattered Bournemouth.

Lloris made one great save during a first half melee, otherwise had little to do other than the routine.

Trippier was great, really good passing and crossing, nice set pieces, not caught out defensively.

Sanchez was poor, he over committed too often and, while this can be papered over in a three man defence, it can't in a two. Needs to learn when to drop off, when to attack.

Alderweireld was fine, as ever from left centre back his passing was a bit off but otherwise he was solid.

Vertonghen was man of the match, great defensively, great offensively, owned his flank.

Dier was good off the ball, some good challenges, but some of his passes were truly shocking.

Winks was fine but unspectacular, I want more from him now that he has the chance to make himself first choice. Very neat, very willing, but needs to be more Modric and less Jenas otherwise he'll only ever be a bench option to bring on when you need to retain possession.

Eriksen wasn't his best again but he improved as the game wore on, played a delightful pass for Harry and scored his goal after a bit of determination and a lovely finish.

Dele was much better, he drove forward with the ball, pressed well off it and was more decisive than he has been. Much more purposeful.

Son was poor, too weak, too telegraphed and very sloppy.

Kane wasn't his best, he worked hard enough and linked play but he was handled well by his 10 markers and seemed to have lost his shooting boots.

Sissoko had a strong cameo, deserved an assist for his great break aways, put it on a plate for Dele and also set free Nkoudou.

Llorente did little up front but he did clear no fewer than three Bournemouth set pieces.

Nkoudou had one chance, got clattered by the goalie, then looked rather deflated.

Patient performance against bus parkers, not enthralling but at least mature and committed. Think Pochettino erred with our defence, he lost a left back but decided to weaken central defence to compensate, ergo causing far more disruption than necessary. Should just had Alderweireld and Vertonghen as a two, put Aurier or KWP at left back. Yes, Vertonghen was our best player, but both Toby and especially Dave were disadvantaged as a result.

I think this very accurately sums up the players today. I’d add, that I’m not at all confident in Sanchez as a part of a back four. I’m disappointed that Poch does not have the confidence in either KWP or Aurier to fill in at LB. I think Poch was lucky to get away with a rather dubious decision.

I’m also glad someone else pointed out how utterly poor Son was today. He was lightweight, brainless and lacked anything resembling urgency and vigor. Indeed, each time I’ve seen him this season he’s looked a shadow of himself from last season. He should look over his shoulder, because if Lamela gets fit again, he’ll be spending a lot of time on the bench from here on out.
 

GioW

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Aug 22, 2011
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Josh king was giving him a rough time but he was okay. Easy to forget his age and inexperience at the level, he's younger than winks. It's ridiculous he's already a nailed on starter, massive prospect

Must say Josh King Impressed me today.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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Glad to see flexibility on the formation from Pochettino and a 4231, when I heard the line up I was worried that we were about to witness Son at left back again.

Performance wasn't great, it wasn't terrible either, it was another struggle to break down a team with no ambition. If we'd scored earlier we'd have murdered them, second half we had enough chances to win by a good margin but we were wasteful. 1-0 flattered Bournemouth.

Lloris made one great save during a first half melee, otherwise had little to do other than the routine.

Trippier was great, really good passing and crossing, nice set pieces, not caught out defensively.

Sanchez was poor, he over committed too often and, while this can be papered over in a three man defence, it can't in a two. Needs to learn when to drop off, when to attack.

Alderweireld was fine, as ever from left centre back his passing was a bit off but otherwise he was solid.

Vertonghen was man of the match, great defensively, great offensively, owned his flank.

Dier was good off the ball, some good challenges, but some of his passes were truly shocking.

Winks was fine but unspectacular, I want more from him now that he has the chance to make himself first choice. Very neat, very willing, but needs to be more Modric and less Jenas otherwise he'll only ever be a bench option to bring on when you need to retain possession.

Eriksen wasn't his best again but he improved as the game wore on, played a delightful pass for Harry and scored his goal after a bit of determination and a lovely finish.

Dele was much better, he drove forward with the ball, pressed well off it and was more decisive than he has been. Much more purposeful.

Son was poor, too weak, too telegraphed and very sloppy.

Kane wasn't his best, he worked hard enough and linked play but he was handled well by his 10 markers and seemed to have lost his shooting boots.

Sissoko had a strong cameo, deserved an assist for his great break aways, put it on a plate for Dele and also set free Nkoudou.

Llorente did little up front but he did clear no fewer than three Bournemouth set pieces.

Nkoudou had one chance, got clattered by the goalie, then looked rather deflated.

Patient performance against bus parkers, not enthralling but at least mature and committed. Think Pochettino erred with our defence, he lost a left back but decided to weaken central defence to compensate, ergo causing far more disruption than necessary. Should just had Alderweireld and Vertonghen as a two, put Aurier or KWP at left back. Yes, Vertonghen was our best player, but both Toby and especially Dave were disadvantaged as a result.

How good is KWP at LB, I mean die he keep the width?

Jan playing at LB was fine I was happy with it cause when we've had a right footer out there its caused us to be too narrow and predictable.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jul 28, 2004
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How good is KWP at LB, I mean die he keep the width?

Jan playing at LB was fine I was happy with it cause when we've had a right footer out there its caused us to be too narrow and predictable.
My argument is that we ended up with three positions weakened (lb, lcb, rcb) when it could have just been lb.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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My argument is that we ended up with three positions weakened (lb, lcb, rcb) when it could have just been lb.

I see your point but IMO we would have been weaker overall has we not had a left footer playing out there, we had that very issue against Swansea.
 

nuttynoah

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Jul 21, 2004
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Loris - 7 - made a great save and distribution was much better
Sanchez - 6 - better 2nd half, i'll leave it at that
Toby - 7 - good shift
Verts - 8 - motm, easily
Trippier - 7 - starting to refind last season's form
Dier - 7 - bit sluggush
Winks - 7 - not at his zippiest best but safe and worked his nuts off
Eriksen - 7 - got a goal, fluffed up a good chance but generally good
Dele - 7 - better
Son - 7 - not that involved, some nice skill
Kane - 7 - bad day at the office by his standards, still some nice play

Sissoko - 6 - runs like a rugby player, passes like a school girl
N'Koudou - 7 - bravery award
 
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Spurs 1961

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Aug 31, 2012
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Decent performance from some very tired players. Considering at least three captained their countries, Eriksen is Denmark and Winks made his international debut in a week of very important internationals I think we gave a competent performance. There is a lot more to come from this team though.

Verts once again was everywhere bringing great energy to the team and not a little skill. Eriksen is in such good goal scoring form and in spite of carrying his national team he had enough left to get the all important goal.

Onwards and upwards
 

Bulletspur

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. But I also don’t underestimate our progression and the fact we have kept the same team for nigh on three seasons. We have a good chance to do something special this year. Just keep the consistency. And see where we end up.
A very big difference without Walker, Rose, Lamela, Dembele and Wanyama. We have been weakened by their injuries and transfer in Walker's case
 

coys200

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Just watched sky 30 min highlights again.It was pretty comfortable tbh.Another day we could have easily won 3 or 4.I do like eriksen in CM much like de bruyne.Once Lamela is back,could possibly slot in front 3 with eriksen dropping deeper.Sissoko looks such a weapon at times causes absolute havoc.Would be tempted to play him at bernabeu on the counter.But his poor touch could cost us.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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Deja Vu

We've seen games like that many times before, as Spurs fans and when watching football in all it's forms, in all it's places. A team parks bus, offensive team struggle to break them down, it's got fuck all to do with Wembley, it's more to do with football's eternal pragmatism v proactivism struggle, we are a proactive team, most weeks we face pragmatic teams, it's exacerbated by us being a bit safe in midfield and clumsy up front, and we just don't seem to be getting the rub at Wembley like we are getting elsewhere. Goals are bouncing off Kane everywhere else, Wembley he's missing barn doors with his banjo.

That wasn't a terrible performance by any stretch, total domination (72% possession, they had one shot on target). We tried to do the right things, patiently circulating, but it's very hard to play incisive passes when the game is compressed and condensed vertically and horizontally into a third of the pitch.

Of course it doesn't help that we are a bit predictable in midfield and clumsy up front, Dier is deliberate and though Winks does have a bit of ambitious twinkle, he's embryonic, and to be honest, I'm not sure he's ever going to be the English Iniesta, but he did play the ball of the game to put Kane through in the second half. And then Son, Alli, Kane and Sissoko (even Eriksen bumbled a couple of times today) were all bumbling away what few chances to make something came their way.

I also don't think Poch's initial set up was ideal, Vertonghen did put a couple of decent crosses in, but playing the back four with him in it was very risk averse and effectively but the breaks on either full backs getting beyond the opposing full back. In games like this is it's often easier to find space when ghosting from deeper areas, rather than just packing the final third with all your jugglers who invariably fumble when they are suffocated. As it was Kane, Alli and Son just kept tripping over each other. I think the 3421 with two of Alli/Son and Eriksen floating in between the lines might have been more effective. Maybe?

Unfortunately we seem to have encountered the pragmatic Bournemouth that only seems to appear a couple of times a year and even when they went 1-0 down early in the second half they didn't alter their game plan much, which was pretty sensible really, they did the smart thing, stayed deep, stayed in the game until the final 15, gave themselves a pragmatists chance and then committed, and by then we know we only have a short time to protect the hard earned slender lead and it becomes tactically uncomfortable because they have absolutely nothing to lose, we have everything.

I think our biggest failing in games like this, is that we don't swarm press high up, which is the best way to unsettle this type of deep defence, get at them before they can settle in, we win the ball back in deeper areas and by then they've all dropped back into their formation and the laborious process of us banging our heads steadily, rhythmically against their bus.

Credit to Poch, he made a tactical change second half and went 3331 (or something similar), dropping Dier back, pushing the fb's wider and higher and though this didn't revolutionise the game, it did have a subtle but crucial impact. Eriksen now ghosted into a pocket from a slightly deeper position to win the match, we looked that little bit more likely and created two or three more great situations.

I think the subs made sense, the way the game was panning out putting on the turbo Rhino and Rudolph Nkoudiev might have delivered the fatal counter blow, if only Sissoko had the two yard pass in his technical armoury that may well have happened, alas he doesn't, and we we forced to edge our way tentatively to that much needed, but thoroughly deserved, Wembley win.

Individual

Lloris - Two good saves.

Trippier - Decent game, most key passes (4) of anyone and very unlucky not to get an assist for Kane's offside goal (the one time Kane finished cooly).

Sanchez - Still having the odd Bambi on one moment, but he does have pace, which is a good quality.

TA - Got caught a little flat footed for the Defoe chance. OK apart from that.

Vertonghen - Good game.

Dier - Decent enough. I thought we looked better when he dropped in to make a back 3 with Eriksen and Winks playing as a CM, but accept that wouldn't work for all situations, and he's (Dier) much more viable with a player like Winks next to him than Dembele or Wanyama in a CM2.

Winks - Played the best ball of the game to put Kane through, apart from that was decent enough, especially considering it was only his 5th start.

Son - Pretty poor if truth be told, he prefers games where he can be more direct, not the ones where you have to tickle the trout out of the water.

Alli - This wasn't his most irritating performance of the season, but he merely swapped piss poor for ho hum. I guess that's progress. Still gave the ball away more than anyone else, including Lloris.

Eriksen - This wasn't one of his best games but he still managed a cool finish to win the game, pay Kane clean through, tot up the second most key passes (3) and play CM and AM. If only all our shit days could be as good as Eriksen's shit days.

Kane - Not a great game either. He's got to work on his offside awareness, it's cost us a few times lately, and today cost us a vital goal. Rightly subbed, I'd have had him off 15 minutes sooner, been a busy couple of weeks for him.

Sissoko - Ran in a straight line a couple of times. I watched DeBruyne play the most exquisite through ball tonight, he was 30 yards away from Sane, at a diagonal, obscured by two defenders, and he put just the right ark, pace and spin on the ball, getting it to intersect perfectly with the motion of Sane's run. It was a thing of utter delicious beauty. Sissoko just had to pass two yards to a team mate standing next to him. The degree of difficulty proved insurmountable.
 
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glospur

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Aside from that poor effort at goal when Sanchez was free behind him, Dele was clearly our best attacking player in the first half. He linked up well, was smart in possession and was the only one to give us some impetus when everyone was poor, particularly Eriksen who was dreadful in that first half and poor overall apart from the goal. Good game from him.

Vertonghen and Lloris, for that ridiculous save alone, our best. MotM just goes to Vertonghen for me.

Sanchez was really bad up against King. He looked clumsy, was out of position and on occassion he picked poor options for his passes and executed them terribly. I really don't like him in a back 4 where he has more responsibility when it comes to distribution and I think this game showed that he's been carried by Alderweireld and Vertonghen a fair bit this season. He looked exposed without the safety blanket of those two on either side of him.
 

davros

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Not the greatest performance, but players are just back from their travels. A great result, though. First wembley win in the league and most of the top 6 dropped points. We picked up 3 points without wrecking ourselves ahead of a pretty big game in midweek. This was the ideal game to get everyone back together ahead of the tough upcoming fixtures.

Vertonghen was our best player.

Great for Winks to get another start. He'll have plenty of better games than this.

Sanchez needs to learn to play in a back 4, and he'll learn by doing it. Not at his best today, but he is young and he'll get better.
 

ohtottenham!

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First choice wing backs out or alternated, first choice CMs out, facing a well-drilled bus-parking 11; we were off-colour all over the park, but got the goal and ground it out at Wembley. Good sign for the future, and shows the depth we have in our squad.
 

mw828

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Verts and Chris

Very impressive at LB for Jan. I think the LCB in a back three suits him far better than being in a back two or a LB though. You can tell he loves getting involved in the attack and he's got the skills to do it.

I thought Winks was perfectly fine. He suffers from a condition most of our midfielders have, which is not being Mousa Dembele.
 
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