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For the love of Spurs · Oct 16, 2017

bomberH said:
Morning.

To save the 'opponents fans thread' from getting completely derailed, I thought I'd start this one.

By the amount of likes and agrees the responses against me are getting, I can see I'm in the minority when I say I'm ready for a billionaire (who's willing to part with his money) to take us over.

I'll start by reiterating that I love the way the club is run and if we won anything in the very near future, it would be absolutely amazing considering other clubs' transfer budgets and wages. Genuinely, nothing would please me more. I'm a big fan of Levy even though he has his moments...

Chelsea and City are bang average clubs who got lucky. But they did get lucky. They're not going to get any poorer any time soon. Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal are all massive clubs who pay much more wages than us and can afford much higher transfer fees than us. Our new stadium will help us out with this and maybe get us nearer the level of Arsenal and possibly Liverpool. But nowhere near Utd, City or Chelsea (in terms of finance, and also international recognition).

If every team had a budget of £100m to spend and £100k a week wage limit, I'm fairly certain we'd win the league very comfortably with Pochettino in charge. But obviously it doesn't work like that. While we've got really close over the last couple of years doing it on a much lower budget, the other teams have now spent literally hundreds of millions to make up for their poor showings. We can't do that.

As I said in the other thread, a splurge of cash would mean the difference between buying decent players like Nkoudou and buying amazing players like Mane. My personal opinion is that Mane would've come to us over Liverpool (because of Poch) if we matched Liverpool's wage offer. But they offered literally double what we would. This will continue until we match the wages of other clubs. I think we would've won the league with Mane last season.

To the people who vote no, I ask you this:

If I could see into the future and told you we wouldn't win any major trophy for the next 20 years (but coming close) by staying as we are or I told you we'd win the PL and CL over the next few years if we got the cash injection, would you still say no? Honestly? Mr Pink said he'd still say no. I admire that but i genuinely can't understand it.

I've seen us not win anything interesting for about 34 of the 37 years I've been a season ticket holder. The main one was the UEFA cup in 84. The others have been just FA Cups. League cups are great but they're not major trophies. No league title for over 55 years. I want to compete with the massive clubs like Utd and the lucky clubs like Chelsea and City. I want to sign a genuine superstar, one that several other big clubs are in for but who chooses us. Footballers as a whole care more about money now, we all know that, so a great player who's offered £80k by us and £160k by someone else, will go to someone else.

In my opinion, it's the only way we can compete with the others now. We've done amazingly well to be up there these last 2 years but I want to compete with them for years and years. My fear is even if we do win the league, our players know they can earn millions more elsewhere and end up leaving. A sugar daddy would end that and could double their wages to make them stay.

I can understand people who want it done the right way but I think we'll get left behind because of it. Other smaller teams will start getting massive investors at some point and we'll get left even further behind. I can't understand why people wouldn't want it.

The people who are giving 'agrees' and 'winners' to the people opposing my argument, it's all very admirable that you want it done the 'right' way, it really is, but I refer you to the above question. Will you still feel the same if we haven't won anything in 15/20 years?

How would you even do it? City only worked because their owner is richer than Chelsea’s so we would need a Chinese owner let’s say richer than him.

Speaking hypothetically, we get a Chinese owner, he gives us £3 billion via sponsorship to get round FFP, we buy Messi, Modric, Isco etc to guarantee a title win, each with wages of around £1 mil per week.

We basically buy the title like City, we lose our soul, our fans expect titles every season, no more youth team as we don’t need that. The whole thing just seems like a sell out.

Trix · Oct 16, 2017

Tweddled said:
For me it would depend on how it's done. If it were identical to City and Chelsea where billions get chucked around trying to buy the title without any soul in the club, then I'd rather we just stayed as we are.

However, If we were able to get a little bit more money that would:

- Pay good wages
- Help us get our first choice transfer targets
- Maintain and improve our training & youth development facilities

I think we'd be able to carry on doing what we're doing with Poch but have a little extra edge and put to bed all the "everyone's gonna leave because Spurs don't pay enough and haven't won anything" talk.

If you think someone is going to come in spending vast amounts of money, and then not expect things to happen almost instantly then I think you are deluded. Just look at the two clubs we are talking about City and Chelsea. They sack managers even when the win them titles as soon as things take a little slump. These are not football fans, and they care more about current status than the long term of the clubs. Both are one court case against their questionable owners away from being unsustainable

dudu · Oct 16, 2017

bomberH said:
I don't think Poch is like that anyway. West Ham under the Icelandic guy spent loads and were shit because they were buying all the wrong players. Everton could be heading that route too. Poch is more sensible and knows what's needed. I don't think he'd buy people that would muck his principles up. He'd have learnt from Southampton too with Osvaldo. First thing he did here was clear out all the bad eggs. More money would just mean buying better players, that's all.

Perhaps...... I just wonder which players fall into that bracket.......

Everlasting Seconds · Oct 16, 2017

bomberH said:
As I said earlier, Mane instead of Nkoudou or N'jie would've been amazing but never likely to happen because we don't pay the wages. Poch wanted Mane but had to settle for others. It's not the first time that kind of thing has happened. Better transfer decisions are sometimes needed I agree, but I reckon for everyone of those you mentioned above, there are others Poch wanted beforehand but couldn't afford, wage wise.

I'm sure there are dozens of reasons why this player didn't come and that player didn't come and we didn't find a player type X that fitted us and were left with bad transfer y. Salary being one of those dozens of reasons but not THE reason. You can go on and on about salaries as much as you want. It's really a different issue altogether. My point is, we don't need considerably MORE money to win a notable trophy. I think many fans don't realise how rich the club actually is.

Gassin's finest · Oct 16, 2017

I think this was a valid discussion 10, maybe even 5 years ago. But we've come so far with Levy and Poch now, that I don't think it's necessary. It'll happen eventually, probably to an American, NFL affiliated, owner. I think that was always ENIC's plan... invest, stabilise, build, create success, sell.

robertgoulet · Oct 16, 2017

I don't want a sugar daddy, per se...I just want a one-time gift of 1.5B. 1B to be used on paying off the cost of the new stadium, and the remainder to be splashed on transfers and wages. The club can go back to running as usual after this one time splurge.

Is that too much to ask?

Lilbaz · Oct 16, 2017

robertgoulet said:
I don't want a sugar daddy, per se...I just want a one-time gift of 1.5B. 1B to be used on paying off the cost of the new stadium, and the remainder to be splashed on transfers and wages. The club can go back to running as usual after this one time splurge.

Is that too much to ask?

Yes.

riggi · Oct 16, 2017

I'd rather been in th championship.

Gaz_Gammon · Oct 16, 2017

Dougal said:
Money would have blocked Kane’s development, route to the first team and road to becoming a Spurs Legend. Why the fuck would anyone want that?

The counter argument to that is that we may have brought in Aguero, Costa or even an Henry, Rooney or Nistelrooy? With a bottomless pit of money Man City have become one of the strongest teams in Europe in two seasons under Pep and have obviously won the title this decade.

I am not in favour of buying success, but if you are a Bournemouth, Stoke, WBA, Brighton or Southampton fan for example they could view us in the same way?

It's all relative, so as much as some of us refute that they would want a multi billionaire to own us and feed the beast, that very day is getting closer. I'd be very surprised if Robert Kraft was not already taking a close look at us, especially given the fact that the NFL agreement may appear to be relatively short term, Levy hasn't built an NFL facility for just a dozen or so games. This part of the stadium project is as much about putting the club in the shop window as the last two seasons trips to the U.S.

It's gonna happen, just give it time. Once (God bless) Joe has gone the Club will have a new owner, and that new owner will have very deep pockets and won't be buying us just to show a few friends around.

'O Zio · Oct 16, 2017

I think I'd give up following the club if we did a City. I want to win trophies as much as anyone, but it just isn't teh same if you do it like that. It's a completely hollow victory.

Tweddled · Oct 16, 2017

Trix said:
If you think someone is going to come in spending vast amounts of money, and then not expect things to happen almost instantly then I think you are deluded. n

I did get rid of the part of my post saying I really don’t see investors coming in and not expecting anything but what’s City and Chelsea etc aim for but I thought it was quite obvious.

Although having seen some of things on here over the years, I should probably know better than to not be clear

mpickard2087 · Oct 16, 2017

Fuck that.

As I've said before, I long for the day clubs get limited to one transfer a season.

McArchibald · Oct 16, 2017

It depends on whether we'd keep our sensible approach. An infusion of cash could undoubtedly help us keep the squad together and bring in the world class wingers we so crave.
Man City's dealings this summer show what you can do with cash and a clearly defined plan.

If on the other hand we'd abandon all planning and started splurging cash as a supposed sign of ambition (Everton, Chelsea) then I'd say "don't bother"

coys200 · Oct 16, 2017

The fact is it will happen,no idea when but it will happen.Joe will sell at some point.Considering the asking price is 2 billion it’s not gonna be venkis buying us.Whoever buys us will be absolutely loaded.
But are city players really that much better than us after all their spending anyway.Playing 3 at the back I’d say they get 3 or 4 in our team.eriksen Or silva you could debate.Dele or sane you could debate.Yes they have more depth in attacking areas.But for all their spending our defence still pisses on theirs.

Mycroft Jones · Oct 16, 2017

Depends on the sugar daddy really. Nobody with that sort of cash has completely clean hands but I think I draw the line at Deputy Prime Ministers of countries where they stone people to death, have amputation and crucifixion on the statute books and routinely 'disappear' anyone who questions the ruling elite.

NinjaTuna · Oct 16, 2017

What I feel for the club as a fan would probably fade along with Spurs being bought out by a sugar daddy owner. I'm proud to be a Spurs fan, being bought out and losing our soul would probably cause me to have less interest in the game. I'm quite happy seeing us progress this way, rather than doing it the way City and Chelsea fans have done it. For them, every trophy must feel so hollow (although tbh probably not Chelsea as their fans are mostly glory hunters or morons)

Lilbaz · Oct 16, 2017

'O Zio said:
I think I'd give up following the club if we did a City. I want to win trophies as much as anyone, but it just isn't teh same if you do it like that. It's a completely hollow victory.

In the 60's we were outspending other clubs and getting in the stars. Was that hollow?

Not quite the same but not far off.

'O Zio · Oct 16, 2017

Lilbaz said:
In the 60's we were outspending other clubs and getting in the stars. Was that hollow?

Not quite the same but not far off.

It's a completely different situation. If you've earned money by being a big club that's not even remotely the same as some dubious character from Qatar coming in and financially doping the club.

Anything City win is tainted because of it. It's like winning on a computer game by using cheat codes, doesn't really count.

Lilbaz · Oct 16, 2017

'O Zio said:
It's a completely different situation. If you've earned money by being a big club that's not even remotely the same as some dubious character from Qatar coming in and financially doping the club.

Anything City win is tainted because of it. It's like winning on a computer game by using cheat codes, doesn't really count.

City's spending is on a different level i agree. It has distorted and messed up football.

The owners are from UAE fyi.

'O Zio · Oct 16, 2017

Lilbaz said:
City's spending is on a different level i agree. It has distorted and messed up football.

The owners are from UAE fyi.

They could be from Enfield and I still wouldn't like them

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