dontsalebale
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I notice you didn't compare stats in the premier league which was the point under discussion. Picking and choosing stats me thinks.
What should Spurs do with Lamela?
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Gaz_Gammon
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I just asked him who would make way, like who would he drop?
ONE OF implied that a player would have to make way, i was just inquiring who that would be.
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Against the 'weaker' sides at home, Lamela would give us the option to do something like City did at the weekend and just play fuck loads of attacking players.
We could go something like:
Lloris
Aurier Alderweireld Vertonghen Rose
Wanyama Eriksen
Lamela Dele Son
Kane
Yes it's a tad on the attacking side, but I'd like to see teams try and park the bus against that.
We could go something like:
Lloris
Aurier Alderweireld Vertonghen Rose
Wanyama Eriksen
Lamela Dele Son
Kane
guiltyparty
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Why is it? Do we not need to do well in Europe too? If anything, selecting only league stats is picking and choosing stats, as that is not a fair representation of what he's contributed, and is quite obviously angled to make Son look better as his one good season came predominantly in the league.
You didn't mention that Son played for a lot of that season as a striker, not a midfielder, either, a similar mis-representation.
Let's do it for the league then, go on…
Son - 3,458 - 18 goals, 7 assists - goal every 192 mins, assist every 494
Lamela - 5,609 - 8 goals, 18 assists - goal every 701 mins, assist every 311 mins
So again, it's almost like one of them's a forward and the other is a creative midfielder and comparing them is frickin' stupid
dontsalebale
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You are dancing on the head of a pin they play the same positions. Europa league is nowhere near the standard of the premier league. The Golden child has preformed to the level of a first team player 1 season in 4 and has yet to appear this season. He is not the unqualified success or first 11 player that various posters insist.
guiltyparty
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I'm not. And they don't. Poch utilises them differently, regardless of where they sit on the pitch graphics on Sky Sports.
Son has only performed for 1 season too. He was patchy in his first year, and has done nothing this season yet either. So the same quite simply goes for him too.
Lamela's not a golden child, he's just way better than you're giving him credit for. Was one of our best players the season before he got injured, pretty much single-handedly drove our press, such a key part to our game, third top scorer (ahead of Son), second top assister (ahead of Son), and is the cleverest player we have behind Eriksen.
When Lamela and Son were both around the squad together, Lamela was more impressive. Son came into his own as a central striking option when Kane was injured. And Son is way more in and out than the seeming Lamela haters want to acknowledge.
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dontsalebale
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We play one up front. If you cannot acknowledge that they are vying for the wing forward position then we are not getting past first base. I think we will leave it their.
guiltyparty
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You're just ignoring all of the info and actual data that challenges what you say. You're like Brexit fused into a single poster.
Son can play wide and up top. Lamela can play wide and centre. Lamela is a left-footer who tends to play on the right, and Son is two footed but favours his right yet tends to play on the left. They crossover but could easily be in the same team, so no, I don't think they are necessarily vying for the same position. But then I don't think Alli is an automatic starter.
Son / Eriksen / Lamela
Lamela / Alli / Eriksen
Son / Lamela / Eriksen (Alli drops to centre mid)
All possibilities for a three behind Kane. But we've started playing 2 behind Kane a lot more, which could easily be:
Alli / Eriksen (neither plays)
Lamela / Eriksen (Alli drops to centre midfield)
Son / Eriksen
Lamela / Son (Eriksen drops to centre midfield)
Alli / Lamela
Alli / Son
Then if Kane is injured but we don't want to just punt it to Llorente, Son can go up top and we can play:
Son
Lamela / Alli / Eriksen
Do you instantly see the options he gives us? Does that not make you want to see what he's like when he's back? If you don't, your base has been nuked from orbit as frankly it all sounds quite exciting. Certainly more exciting than Sissoko or N'koudou or N'jie or whoever we buy next.
Barkley? No guarantees there. Never scored more than 8 goals in a season, never assisted more than 8 in a season, never got more than 16 combined in a season, only ever played in Europe once - 1 assist in 4 games. So yeah, while you might decry the Europa, Barkley's not even been good enough for that.
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smallsnc
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Hope he comes back to form and competes for a starting job. Our best 11 right now employs 3 at the back and only 2 AM under Kane. I do not see Lamela dislodging either Dele or Eriksen in that formation, especially against the top sides. I do see Lamela playing in matches where we will have more of the ball and might play a 4-2-3-1.
The big thing though is that he needs time to get back to fitness, then match fitness, then get the rust off. If he can be contributing valuable minutes off the bench or in cup games beginning in late December / January then I think it we will be ahead of the game. If he returns to form, let's keep him.
The big thing though is that he needs time to get back to fitness, then match fitness, then get the rust off. If he can be contributing valuable minutes off the bench or in cup games beginning in late December / January then I think it we will be ahead of the game. If he returns to form, let's keep him.
punkisback
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Didn't we play this against City and smash them?
alex3
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Sissoko instead of Kane so probably even better team
dagraham
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Nothing wrong with attacking. I often find us too conservative at home against teams with very little intent on attacking us.
As long as Wanyama or Dier stay disciplined then it's hardly Ossie Ardiles style.
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He is a much needed alternative to Alli and Son.
Surprising that anyone would feel differently, as we're so limited by selection at present.
He'll be used sparingly for a good few months considering his lay-off.
Surprising that anyone would feel differently, as we're so limited by selection at present.
He'll be used sparingly for a good few months considering his lay-off.
As already pointed out it will take him some time to get upto speed. I think a lot of people either forgot or never saw what he bought to the team which is sad for me.
The guy is a true warrior and i think he is one of those players you get every once in a while who really translates what the manager wants onto the pitch. The aggression, hunger, drive and never say die attitude.
I remember 2 seasons ago when we played arsenal at the lane. Anybody who is unsure of the effect lamela has on our team needs to re-watch that match. We were absolutly bossing them and battered them into submission with kane scoring that screamer from a tight angle. Arsenal were being battered to death, hunted and hounded down with lamela being a key aggressor. The second he went off we changed and they scored a goal which was caused by taking our foot off the gas which never would have happened if he didnt come off. Because thats what he does, he leads from the front with aggression.
Cant wait for his return.
The guy is a true warrior and i think he is one of those players you get every once in a while who really translates what the manager wants onto the pitch. The aggression, hunger, drive and never say die attitude.
I remember 2 seasons ago when we played arsenal at the lane. Anybody who is unsure of the effect lamela has on our team needs to re-watch that match. We were absolutly bossing them and battered them into submission with kane scoring that screamer from a tight angle. Arsenal were being battered to death, hunted and hounded down with lamela being a key aggressor. The second he went off we changed and they scored a goal which was caused by taking our foot off the gas which never would have happened if he didnt come off. Because thats what he does, he leads from the front with aggression.
Cant wait for his return.
kremlyn
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Yes he was. He was absolutely the first to get the pochettino press and was the worst player to take off as the press would fall to pieces.
I don't think he's ever been our most potent attacker but he was central to the success of pochettinos system.
For a very long time he was absolutely the first name on the team sheet.
Gaz_Gammon
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Just eighty five games in almost five years would suggest that that "very long time of absolutely" being the first on the team sheet didn't last very long.
I wish him a full recovery and a return to first team football, but just to reiterate he won't be selected as a given in the starting eleven like some on here have suggested.
Think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, time will tell.
Trix
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Maybe, but I still think he could play 30+ games in all comps as part of a rotation. He is far more suited to play against certain teams than others.
kremlyn
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Not really.
When he was fit he was ever present. Which was for a considerable stretch each time.
Weird argument. It's the sort of nonsense Gibbs would spout.
dagraham
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A fit Lamela will be a great boost for our squad and I think the 3 at the back system with the 2 attacking players supporting Kane playing more centrally will suit him.
However, despite him being a big part of the team when he was previously fit, we are a better team now than we were then ( which results have borne out) and he'll have to perform better than he ever has to become a nailed on starter.
However, despite him being a big part of the team when he was previously fit, we are a better team now than we were then ( which results have borne out) and he'll have to perform better than he ever has to become a nailed on starter.
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