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bomberH said:

I think it's a matter of time before it happens.

Those who have voted no have absolutely no right to moan if a transfer falls through because we couldn't afford their wages. And no right to moan when we sell the likes of Kane or Eriksen because we couldn't afford to keep them or match their ambition.

And I look forward to all of your sad faces when we win the league if it happens after an investor coming in.

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nicdic said:

Also worth noting that I think the days of billionaires buying PL clubs as playthings is a thing of the past.

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Trix said:

You are becoming very righteous about all of this I have to say. Some people don't want us to be like Man City. Why can't you just accept that?

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Spurger King said:

There seem to be some on here who think anyone voting yes just want us to blow everyone out of the water and 'cheat' our way to success. Personally I want us to have something approaching parity with Chelsea and the Sheik Mansour team, where we can keep our best players and compete for new players.

It really comes down to wanting to even things out at the very top end of the table. I'd be happy if those teams had to come down to our financial level, and even happier if there was a wage/transfer cap that meant 7-8 clubs every season had a chance of success depending upon how well built their teams were.

As that's unlikely to happen, competing on a level playing field with the big spenders is the next best thing, otherwise it's just a depressing two-team fight with the occasional gate crasher or some other also ran being catapulted ahead of us overnight.

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bomberH said:

I find it difficult to accept because they are the same people who are upset when we can't sign someone due to wages. It's hypocrisy. Either accept where we are as a club and don't moan when we can't keep hold of our star players or accept that to compete with the likes of City etc who have chosen to go down the spending route, that the only way we can really compete on a regular basis at the highest level may be to invest ourselves.

What's wrong with what I just said? Please explain.

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Trix said:

I get what you are saying but when you say that voting no gives us no right to complain. Well I say I will complain strongly about the clubs that have made modern football what it is, I will complain that it's clubs like City and PSG that have caused this mess, I will complain about the very clubs you want to turn us into, because I hate what they are doing to the game.

I would bet had you asked this question two years ago it would have been a lot more even split, I just think that so many fans have now seen there is an alternative and like that idea far more.

FWIW I would have always voted no though.

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bomberH said:

And as talkshowhost alluded to earlier, all those that voted no.... are you telling me that if we were taken over by a super rich fucker and signed Messi, they wouldn't be absolutely over the moon excited. It's just bollocks and hypocrisy.

It just makes me laugh. My opinion is people are trying to be morally right even though there's nothing morally wrong with what's being suggested.

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Trix said:

It's the very opposite of sportsmanship imo if there was nothing morally wrong with it why do they need to keep finding new ways to bend the rules in order to get the cash across? It's the equivalent of playing a computer game using cheat codes. A bit like that one coach in every junior football league that goes round all the other teams poaching their best players in order to dominate the league. It's not against the rules but it absolutely ruins the competition and totally demeans the achievement.

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talkshowhost86 said:

Basically...the bad guys have won

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bomberH said:

I find it difficult to accept because they are the same people who are upset when we can't sign someone due to wages. It's hypocrisy. Either accept where we are as a club and don't moan when we can't keep hold of our star players or accept that to compete with the likes of City etc who have chosen to go down the spending route, that the only way we can really compete on a regular basis at the highest level may be to invest ourselves.

What's wrong with what I just said? Please explain.

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bomberH said:

Even if I agree with that, it's here and if it's here to stay, it may be the only way we can compete. It's not fair that others can do it and run away with the league.

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bomberH said:

Morning.

To save the 'opponents fans thread' from getting completely derailed, I thought I'd start this one.

By the amount of likes and agrees the responses against me are getting, I can see I'm in the minority when I say I'm ready for a billionaire (who's willing to part with his money) to take us over.

I'll start by reiterating that I love the way the club is run and if we won anything in the very near future, it would be absolutely amazing considering other clubs' transfer budgets and wages. Genuinely, nothing would please me more. I'm a big fan of Levy even though he has his moments...

Chelsea and City are bang average clubs who got lucky. But they did get lucky. They're not going to get any poorer any time soon. Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal are all massive clubs who pay much more wages than us and can afford much higher transfer fees than us. Our new stadium will help us out with this and maybe get us nearer the level of Arsenal and possibly Liverpool. But nowhere near Utd, City or Chelsea (in terms of finance, and also international recognition).

If every team had a budget of £100m to spend and £100k a week wage limit, I'm fairly certain we'd win the league very comfortably with Pochettino in charge. But obviously it doesn't work like that. While we've got really close over the last couple of years doing it on a much lower budget, the other teams have now spent literally hundreds of millions to make up for their poor showings. We can't do that.

As I said in the other thread, a splurge of cash would mean the difference between buying decent players like Nkoudou and buying amazing players like Mane. My personal opinion is that Mane would've come to us over Liverpool (because of Poch) if we matched Liverpool's wage offer. But they offered literally double what we would. This will continue until we match the wages of other clubs. I think we would've won the league with Mane last season.

To the people who vote no, I ask you this:

If I could see into the future and told you we wouldn't win any major trophy for the next 20 years (but coming close) by staying as we are or I told you we'd win the PL and CL over the next few years if we got the cash injection, would you still say no? Honestly? Mr Pink said he'd still say no. I admire that but i genuinely can't understand it.

I've seen us not win anything interesting for about 34 of the 37 years I've been a season ticket holder. The main one was the UEFA cup in 84. The others have been just FA Cups. League cups are great but they're not major trophies. No league title for over 55 years. I want to compete with the massive clubs like Utd and the lucky clubs like Chelsea and City. I want to sign a genuine superstar, one that several other big clubs are in for but who chooses us. Footballers as a whole care more about money now, we all know that, so a great player who's offered £80k by us and £160k by someone else, will go to someone else.

In my opinion, it's the only way we can compete with the others now. We've done amazingly well to be up there these last 2 years but I want to compete with them for years and years. My fear is even if we do win the league, our players know they can earn millions more elsewhere and end up leaving. A sugar daddy would end that and could double their wages to make them stay.

I can understand people who want it done the right way but I think we'll get left behind because of it. Other smaller teams will start getting massive investors at some point and we'll get left even further behind. I can't understand why people wouldn't want it.

The people who are giving 'agrees' and 'winners' to the people opposing my argument, it's all very admirable that you want it done the 'right' way, it really is, but I refer you to the above question. Will you still feel the same if we haven't won anything in 15/20 years?

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Led's Zeppelin said:

I have never moaned that we can't sign someone because of wages.

You're accusing people of hypocrisy with no basis other than guessing what they think.

I do not want us to "compete" on the same ridiculous and anti-sport basis as Man C, Chelsea and PSG. I want us to do it properly. That is my whole point. And that is why I do not whinge about not paying the same wages as them.

You don't agree, which is fair enough. But please try to understand that it is possible to have a different outlook without being a hypocrite about it.

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DEFchenkOE said:

I would love someone to pump endless pots of cash into the club but I'd still like it to be run by Levy. Probably not possible but I like how he runs the club and keeps things in budget. But having someone pump lots of cash in would mean we could keep all our best players 9 times out of 10. Would level the playing field with the current petro clubs. Poch is working miracles at the moment but he can only keep that up for so long.

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bomberH said:

Morning.

If I could see into the future and told you we wouldn't win any major trophy for the next 20 years (but coming close) by staying as we are or I told you we'd win the PL and CL over the next few years if we got the cash injection, would you still say no? Honestly? Mr Pink said he'd still say no. I admire that but i genuinely can't understand it.

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