Shadydan
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This ratings thread gets more and more strange by the week. SO many weird comments. I honestly cannot understand if people are over-analysing or just trying to be a bit sensationalist, this isn't a complicated one IMO.
One of the things that has frustrated me about Poch previously is that, particularly against Liverpool, he has tried to stick to his principles and play football his way without considering that if you just look at what the opponent has struggled against then with the quality we have we could easily have beaten teams that have otherwise turned us over.
I feel like he has learned from those previous mistakes and last night was another example of that.
Picking Llorente could be seen as odd but equally it could be seen as Poch picking the most experienced player we have in a massive game. Calm heads and leadership were needed and I thought Nando was excellent. He worked hard, looked to flick the ball on to Kane where possible with his head and then later in the game found one utterly sublime touch pass into Kane which so nearly resulted in us going 2-1 up.
Beyond that I thought every player was good, apart from Eriksen who unfortunately seemed to struggle with the occasion. He looked a bit nervy on the ball to me, heavy touches, wayward passes. He still did some good but the lofty expectations he's set meant that by comparison he looked a bit average.
I dont want to single anyone out but I'm gonna. Sissoko was genuinely brilliant IMO. He looks so confident now and it's reflected in his touch. I also think his friendship with Aurier is working wonders for him and the two link-up really well. Beyond that Sanchez deserves a special mention. 21 years old this kid and he looked the calmest player out there. He was impeccable in my view and showed how good he could end up being in future.
Lastly, nobody loves Moussa Dembele more than me but Poch mentioned that he felt more pain in the warm-up and sadly it feels like he may not ever be able to play for us consistently again. That thought used to scare me but the highest praise I can give Winks is that I'm not scared anymore. I've been a massive fan of Winks since I first saw him play and last night he should a maturity and bravery that most players his age simply wouldn't cope with.
Great performance, unlucky not to win.
One of the things that has frustrated me about Poch previously is that, particularly against Liverpool, he has tried to stick to his principles and play football his way without considering that if you just look at what the opponent has struggled against then with the quality we have we could easily have beaten teams that have otherwise turned us over.
I feel like he has learned from those previous mistakes and last night was another example of that.
Picking Llorente could be seen as odd but equally it could be seen as Poch picking the most experienced player we have in a massive game. Calm heads and leadership were needed and I thought Nando was excellent. He worked hard, looked to flick the ball on to Kane where possible with his head and then later in the game found one utterly sublime touch pass into Kane which so nearly resulted in us going 2-1 up.
Beyond that I thought every player was good, apart from Eriksen who unfortunately seemed to struggle with the occasion. He looked a bit nervy on the ball to me, heavy touches, wayward passes. He still did some good but the lofty expectations he's set meant that by comparison he looked a bit average.
I dont want to single anyone out but I'm gonna. Sissoko was genuinely brilliant IMO. He looks so confident now and it's reflected in his touch. I also think his friendship with Aurier is working wonders for him and the two link-up really well. Beyond that Sanchez deserves a special mention. 21 years old this kid and he looked the calmest player out there. He was impeccable in my view and showed how good he could end up being in future.
Lastly, nobody loves Moussa Dembele more than me but Poch mentioned that he felt more pain in the warm-up and sadly it feels like he may not ever be able to play for us consistently again. That thought used to scare me but the highest praise I can give Winks is that I'm not scared anymore. I've been a massive fan of Winks since I first saw him play and last night he should a maturity and bravery that most players his age simply wouldn't cope with.
Great performance, unlucky not to win.
matjcole
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Mate this has given me proper giggles.
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What a great performance. Stand outs for me were Vertonghen, Lloris, Sanchez, Winks. Eriksen off the pace a bit but a massive performance from a patched up team who have never played that formation before. Take a 1-1 draw all day long, thank you!
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I was literally in the top row but still got a good view of the game. It was my first European away game and luckily there was no problem getting in or any trouble with police/fans.
I thought Sanchez was MOM as he looked so assured and given his youth, it was a very good performance. I'm prepared to eat a tapa of humble pie regarding Sissoko. I still believe he is a poor player for this level but he did very well last night (and has a catchy song too!).
I thought Sanchez was MOM as he looked so assured and given his youth, it was a very good performance. I'm prepared to eat a tapa of humble pie regarding Sissoko. I still believe he is a poor player for this level but he did very well last night (and has a catchy song too!).
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You'd probably be correct to say that it was neither a footballing or tactical masterclass. Kane/Llorente was for the most part an awful partnership whether with or without the ball, the midfield as a unit you'd have to question at times tbf.... but an increasingly depleted team managed to go to Real Madrid and got something out of the game through everyone working their bollocks off, particularly the defence and midfield. We rode our luck a couple of times but were generally secure, scrambled when we needed to, and even had our moments at the other end. There was a lot of spirit and grit to that performance.
If I had to pick out individuals, it would be Dier and Winks. Dier showed that, if he wants to be, he could be a very good centre back and I hope he/Poch realises this. Winks played as the sole pivot, and at times didn't always have the greatest help as others had been dragged away from position, but he was secure in front of the defence and with the ball was calm, composed, and positive with what he did - compare that to some others. Well done kid.
Lloris - Two or three very good saves, one incredible.
Aurier - Clearly has a lot of talent and can play a bit, it's getting inside that mind though. I don't blame him for the tackle, Kroos is six yards out centre of goal it is desperate measures time, but what he does get blame for is losing the ball (with was it Kane/Llorente?) in our third needlessly fucking around with it - a few mins from the end of the half it should have just been whacked down the channel and regroup. Saying that, he did recover well and have a strong second half and was very solid. Also put in the cross for the goal.
Sanchez - Lost his position a few times, but that is a minor quibble. For 21 he looks very impressive and defended very well.
Dier - Very good game.
Alderweireld - Ditto. Best game of the season.
Vertonghen - Also very good.
Winks - As I've said, very impressive given the opposition and the role he had.
Sissoko - Worked very hard, and had some good moments linking up with Aurier. Still think he was a bit timid with the ball at times in a few really good moments.
Eriksen - And if we're talking timid... Also put in a real shift for the team but looked slightly off it - a touch slow in body and mind and not his usual quality.
Llorente - Fed off scraps for the most part. As a unit him and Kane didn't really work, both always in the same area trying to do the same thing, a bit muddled about who was leading the line whilst who dropped off, and I think he could have worked harder. But he plugged away and in the second half created our two chances with his target man play.
Kane - Definitely one of our weaker performers on the night. As I said, his partnership with Llorente didn't really work too well and he too could have worked a little harder. Turned the ball over quite badly a few times which led to counters. And that chance..... Decent save or not you'd expect him to bury it. The goalie had sat down so early as well.
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If I had to pick out individuals, it would be Dier and Winks. Dier showed that, if he wants to be, he could be a very good centre back and I hope he/Poch realises this. Winks played as the sole pivot, and at times didn't always have the greatest help as others had been dragged away from position, but he was secure in front of the defence and with the ball was calm, composed, and positive with what he did - compare that to some others. Well done kid.
Lloris - Two or three very good saves, one incredible.
Aurier - Clearly has a lot of talent and can play a bit, it's getting inside that mind though. I don't blame him for the tackle, Kroos is six yards out centre of goal it is desperate measures time, but what he does get blame for is losing the ball (with was it Kane/Llorente?) in our third needlessly fucking around with it - a few mins from the end of the half it should have just been whacked down the channel and regroup. Saying that, he did recover well and have a strong second half and was very solid. Also put in the cross for the goal.
Sanchez - Lost his position a few times, but that is a minor quibble. For 21 he looks very impressive and defended very well.
Dier - Very good game.
Alderweireld - Ditto. Best game of the season.
Vertonghen - Also very good.
Winks - As I've said, very impressive given the opposition and the role he had.
Sissoko - Worked very hard, and had some good moments linking up with Aurier. Still think he was a bit timid with the ball at times in a few really good moments.
Eriksen - And if we're talking timid... Also put in a real shift for the team but looked slightly off it - a touch slow in body and mind and not his usual quality.
Llorente - Fed off scraps for the most part. As a unit him and Kane didn't really work, both always in the same area trying to do the same thing, a bit muddled about who was leading the line whilst who dropped off, and I think he could have worked harder. But he plugged away and in the second half created our two chances with his target man play.
Kane - Definitely one of our weaker performers on the night. As I said, his partnership with Llorente didn't really work too well and he too could have worked a little harder. Turned the ball over quite badly a few times which led to counters. And that chance..... Decent save or not you'd expect him to bury it. The goalie had sat down so early as well.
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French journal L'Equipe. Not sure what's worse : players positions, ratings or the fact they think Pochettino is italian?
They are actually decent marks for L'Equipe.
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Hugo was my MOTM. It wasn't just the two world class saves, he had everything that was thrown at him covered.
Everyone else, with the exception of Eriksen, deserved at least an eight out ten.
It was a shame that Kane didn't score his chance, but I don't think you can blame him as the shot was going in, but the keeper pulled off a brilliant save.
Everyone else, with the exception of Eriksen, deserved at least an eight out ten.
It was a shame that Kane didn't score his chance, but I don't think you can blame him as the shot was going in, but the keeper pulled off a brilliant save.
Lloris.........8+........Stood up and sat down when required. Calming influence.
Aurier........7...........Shame about the pen but otherwise positive and a good outlet.
Toby..........7+.........Sound.
Sanchez....7..........Settling in nicely but if he's 21 I'm a centenarian. Oh wait.
Dier............7+........Effective.
Verts..........7+........Lack of pace exposed going forward but took his place in a sound back 6
Winks........8+........Composed and mature performance from a mere youth (21). And in token of which I make him MOM despite other sound claims. In 11 years time, when he's Modric's age (32) he might be just as good.The other H steps into the sunlight.
Sissoko......7..........Not as impressed as some but is making good use of his natural talents.Getting better every game
Eriksen.......6+....... Not as depressed as some, worked hard but his usual touch deserted him
Llorente......6+........Bit of a lump but an effective one late on.
HK..............6..........Well marked, not a natural partner for Llorente.But at least RM wont be so desperate to sign him.
Cunning plan H.
Coming of age, stepping up to the plate and any other cliche you can think of. We did it. Could have gone any way but that was a RESULT! Proud night
Aurier........7...........Shame about the pen but otherwise positive and a good outlet.
Toby..........7+.........Sound.
Sanchez....7..........Settling in nicely but if he's 21 I'm a centenarian. Oh wait.
Dier............7+........Effective.
Verts..........7+........Lack of pace exposed going forward but took his place in a sound back 6
Winks........8+........Composed and mature performance from a mere youth (21). And in token of which I make him MOM despite other sound claims. In 11 years time, when he's Modric's age (32) he might be just as good.The other H steps into the sunlight.
Sissoko......7..........Not as impressed as some but is making good use of his natural talents.Getting better every game
Eriksen.......6+....... Not as depressed as some, worked hard but his usual touch deserted him
Llorente......6+........Bit of a lump but an effective one late on.
HK..............6..........Well marked, not a natural partner for Llorente.But at least RM wont be so desperate to sign him.
Cunning plan H.
Coming of age, stepping up to the plate and any other cliche you can think of. We did it. Could have gone any way but that was a RESULT! Proud night
Gilzeanking
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This is a good point . Many have felt that in the past Poch has seemed a bit rigid with his setting up ,and in-game management . With the position change half time vs Bournemouth and this effective (in the end) RM formation , it looks like Poch is becoming more flexible/unpredictable.
He's always on about improving players and the team etc . Looks like he applies that to himself too .
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Don't be a nonce.
I voted for Sissoko, because I wanted to give him credit for a good performance. We all know that Lloris was man of the match.
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I think you should rein in your use of the word "nonce".
Spurrific
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As you will be aware, language evolves constantly. In recent years, with the prevalence of football twitter and Reddit, the word has taken on another meaning - more in-line with the definition of "plonker". I'm not saying you were being a paedophile/sex-pest, just a pompous plonker.
Marty
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Unlike UK media, L'Equipe actually use the full 1-10 scale when they rate players - as they bloody well should. You can score two OGs and make numerous mistakes and still get a 4 in UK media. It's ridiculous. I think L'Equipe have been a bit hard on a few players on both sides, Sissoko, Sanchez and Jan in particular, but it's not totally out there.French journal L'Equipe. Not sure what's worse : players positions, ratings or the fact they think Pochettino is italian?
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fortworthspur
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Casemiro got the slightest of touches on the ball before clattering into Llorente's leg - its a foul anywhere else on the pitch so yeah it was worth a shout.
there was nothing subtle about Aurier's.
I distinctly remember it wasn't only him involved in that exchange. It wasn't exactly an easy situation for him once he got the ball back from Lllorente. So I guess my question is why aren't you complaining that Llorente or even Sissoko didn't kick it away? Also there was a lot of play in between that and the penalty - so to totally blame that incident for the goal is a bit harsh IMHO.
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