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Cornpattbuck

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I like Sancho, and particularly like Foden, hadn’t seen much of him before the game last week, and after that game I said about fast tracking them because they are the kind of player England are lacking, but I would include Edwards in that too. In terms of head up football intelligence, game brain and decision making I’d say Edwards and Foden are ahead of Sancho, but Sancho has that unpredictabile quality.

I kind of agree with this and yet Edwards and indeed Eriksen had absolute shockers today. In my opinion, that's football.
 

Bus-Conductor

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But international football is and, in my opinion, should remain a serious part of the footballing landscape.

If you give everything to the clubs then Man U etc run riot.

To be honest, I have no idea what you expect of youth players anymore...

They should be first on the first team sheet without playing or being challenged if they're our guys but other teams players should lead pedestal luxury lives of nothingness just because they might have the opportunity elsewhere...

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I didn't say International football shouldn't be part f the football landscape, I understand it has an important function, but lets keep perspective, it's club who spend all the money and take the time and all the risk to develop players.

I ave no idea what your last paragraph means.
 

Bus-Conductor

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I kind of agree with this and yet Edwards and indeed Eriksen had absolute shockers today. In my opinion, that's football.

Again, have absolutely no idea what Eriksen has to do with any of this? Edwards is an attacking forward, nearly every time I watch him he is involved in creating goals or quality chances and situations. That's his primary remit. We were playing one of the best academies in world football today. He can't do everything and he can't make the entire team play fantastically. I've only watched the first half of the U19 game but so far he's been OK.
 

Cornpattbuck

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Again, have absolutely no idea what Eriksen has to do with any of this? Edwards is an attacking forward, nearly every time I watch him he is involved in creating goals or quality chances and situations. That's his primary remit. We were playing one of the best academies in world football today. He can't do everything and he can't make the entire team play fantastically. I've only watched the first half of the U19 game but so far he's been OK.

I suppose I was trying to comment on how certain players never get any flack from you, whatever they do, while others are pulled up on their every tiny cock up through a match.

It was stupid o'clock and I'd drunk through my nerves watching the Real game, haha. Ignore.
 
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coys200

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I like Sancho, and particularly like Foden, hadn’t seen much of him before the game last week, and after that game I said about fast tracking them because they are the kind of player England are lacking, but I would include Edwards in that too. In terms of head up football intelligence, game brain and decision making I’d say Edwards and Foden are ahead of Sancho, but Sancho has that unpredictabile quality.
Sorry to say Edwards is nowhere near sancho.Yesterday showed how much England missed Sancho.Even a player like Hudson odoi had nowhere near the impact of sancho.
Can’t imagine what Kirby is now thinking seeing the progress of winks and someone like Georgiou in the bench in the bernabeu.
I can understand someone leaving for game time at say 20 but to do it at 17 is baffling.Could be a decision he will regret for a long time.
 

rabbikeane

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Wonder if Cyprus will be tempted to call up Georgiou despite his lack of first team games.
 

Blake Griffin

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I kind of agree with this and yet Edwards and indeed Eriksen had absolute shockers today. In my opinion, that's football.

i'm not really following the debate with bc but i agree in the sense that it's unfair to make judgements on edwards based on one game, yes he was poor but just as a proven quality player like eriksen proved yesterday - bad performances can happen to the best of them and anyone who has seen each player 30, 40, 50 times will know that those kind of performances aren't the norm.
 

beats1

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I thought you might have been talking ab out his style of play, I missed the 2nd half of England match so thought he might have done something.

If it makes you feel better it seems he may have shot himself in the foot. Though he was injured he wasted a lot of last year not playing, and if he probably hoped that he would get a chance under De Boer. Now they are struggling and have Hodgson his chance of ever coming through really diminishes, now he is playing u23s but with lesser coaches.

He could still be a real quality player but not looking good for him at the moment
There was that funny story about crystal palace U23's constantly beating the first team in training using De Boer's tactics, its a shame he wasnt given a chance
 

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i'm not really following the debate with bc but i agree in the sense that it's unfair to make judgements on edwards based on one game, yes he was poor but just as a proven quality player like eriksen proved yesterday - bad performances can happen to the best of them and anyone who has seen each player 30, 40, 50 times will know that those kind of performances aren't the norm.

It's funny isn't it. You can watch a player however many times, watch him standout consistently for 3 years, but he gets shown on TV not running through everyone, and all of a sudden he is now no longer good enough for the first team. I think people build up an unrealistic expectation of someone and then get let down when they don't match it.

People have seen Bennetts play well for 3 games, and want him to get a chance, but he didn't play well yesterday does that now mean he doesn't deserve a chance. Fans are so fickle. Players have off games, it happens. Falcao played poorly against CCV at u23s so that means CCV is a better defender than Falcao a striker
 

Hengy1

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In Edwards case it’s clear to me talent wise he’s probably ready but physically no chance where someone like Bennett’s in the last year physically looks ready and talent wise is too.

The big question over Bennett’s was consistency and that seems to be much better this season. Although I’m not a big fan of him as a LB. He’s better as a LWB or LW imo.

IMO it’ll be next season now that both these two will get a chance with the first team
 

coys200

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Trying to work out our team V West Ham.Might be a few spots up for grabs for the kids mainly CB.We will play main 3 and dier V pool.Surely they all need a rest midweek unless he picks one to partner Foyth.But with manu the following weekend and then Real I think he will rest all 4.so maybe team below.
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Aurier/trip foyth tanganga? Rose/davies
Winks sissoko
Nkou/edwards Lamela? Son
Llorente

I think tanganga would be 1st in line CB? And possibly a chance in AM for Edwards?
 

Blake Griffin

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It's funny isn't it. You can watch a player however many times, watch him standout consistently for 3 years, but he gets shown on TV not running through everyone, and all of a sudden he is now no longer good enough for the first team. I think people build up an unrealistic expectation of someone and then get let down when they don't match it.

People have seen Bennetts play well for 3 games, and want him to get a chance, but he didn't play well yesterday does that now mean he doesn't deserve a chance. Fans are so fickle. Players have off games, it happens. Falcao played poorly against CCV at u23s so that means CCV is a better defender than Falcao a striker

yep, something i think you've touched on before is that whilst there's obviously a significant gap in quality between youth and senior football, fans do tend to overstate it a tad. with the way some go on you'd think a first team player could play an u23 game blindfolded and with one leg tied behind their back and still be the best player on the pitch, when in reality you'll typically find that a lot of the time they won't actually stand out a great deal. yes there can be exceptions and you can also say the first teamer is probably playing within themselves or just coming back from injury etc but we've seen players like townsend drop down and whilst he's no superstar, he is still a pl quality and a [until fairly recently] full international but he didn't suddenly turn into arjen robben when he played for the u23s, he just looked like townsend and i don't think anyone who didn't know who he was would have said he's the pl quality player earning 50k a week whilst all the others are kids who'll be lucky to make it into league two.

edwards was poor yesterday but he still has more than enough good games in the bank for me not to go doing a 180 on him.
 

Hengy1

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Trying to work out our team V West Ham.Might be a few spots up for grabs for the kids mainly CB.We will play main 3 and dier V pool.Surely they all need a rest midweek unless he picks one to partner Foyth.But with manu the following weekend and then Real I think he will rest all 4.so maybe team below.
Vorm
Aurier/trip foyth tanganga? Rose/davies
Winks sissoko
Nkou/edwards Lamela? Son
Llorente

I think tanganga would be 1st in line CB? And possibly a chance in AM for Edwards?
No way would he put two inexperienced CBs together
 

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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...m-Charly-Musonda-Transfer-News-Rumours-Gossip



Chelsea ace should leave for Tottenham after Instagram outburst - Graeme Le Saux exclusive
CHELSEA youngster Charly Musonda should leave for Tottenham if he wants first-team football, says former Blue Graeme Le Saux.

By David Wright / Published 18th October 2017


Musonda hit out at Chelsea’s handling of young players last week in a cryptic message on Instagram.

He posted: ”You sacrifice, you work hard, harder, you give more than what's expected, and often more than you can, because you love what you do and clearly more than you should.

"And what do you get back? Literally nothing… done.

"However, with this being said I will continue with same dedication and commitment to this great game."


And former Chelsea left-back Le Saux believes Musonda should leave for London rivals Tottenham if he wants first-team football.

The Belgium Under-21 international has played just 25 minutes of Premier League football so far this season.

Discussing the 21-year-old’s rant on Instagram, Le Saux exclusively told Starsport: “That looks a risky strategy for getting first-team opportunities if you ask me!

“Unfortunately bringing youth through is not the Chelsea model at the moment.

“And a string of very good players have moved on from the club and now play at the very highest level in the Premier League.

“Look at [Manchester City midfielder] Kevin De Bruyne and [Manchester United striker] Romelu Lukaku for two examples.

“The one club that does youth a chance is Tottenham. Maybe Musonda needs to move across London for his chance to shine?!”
 
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mark87

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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...m-Charly-Musonda-Transfer-News-Rumours-Gossip



Chelsea ace should leave for Tottenham after Instagram outburst - Graeme Le Saux exclusive
CHELSEA youngster Charly Musonda should leave for Tottenham if he wants first-team football, says former Blue Graeme Le Saux.

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By David Wright / Published 18th October 2017


Musonda hit out at Chelsea’s handling of young players last week in a cryptic message on Instagram.

He posted: ”You sacrifice, you work hard, harder, you give more than what's expected, and often more than you can, because you love what you do and clearly more than you should.

"And what do you get back? Literally nothing… done.

"However, with this being said I will continue with same dedication and commitment to this great game."


And former Chelsea left-back Le Saux believes Musonda should leave for London rivals Tottenham if he wants first-team football.

The Belgium Under-21 international has played just 25 minutes of Premier League football so far this season.

Discussing the 21-year-old’s rant on Instagram, Le Saux exclusively told Starsport: “That looks a risky strategy for getting first-team opportunities if you ask me!

“Unfortunately bringing youth through is not the Chelsea model at the moment.

“And a string of very good players have moved on from the club and now play at the very highest level in the Premier League.

“Look at [Manchester City midfielder] Kevin De Bruyne and [Manchester United striker] Romelu Lukaku for two examples.

“The one club that does youth a chance is Tottenham. Maybe Musonda needs to move across London for his chance to shine?!”

Hopefully more Chelsea youth players feel the same and feel like they need to move for the sake of their career. They need to see that they are just there to make Chelsea money by loaning them out and then selling them. Chelsea have absolutely no intention of playing their youth players in the first team. Same goes for man city.
 

spursfan77

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Hopefully more Chelsea youth players feel the same and feel like they need to move for the sake of their career. They need to see that they are just there to make Chelsea money by loaning them out and then selling them. Chelsea have absolutely no intention of playing their youth players in the first team. Same goes for man city.

I think we should be all over poaching them. Trouble is, aren't their youth players paid the same as some members of our first team squad. Thats going to cause problems currently, well, at least until we are in the new stadium.
 
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