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Trix

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I agree in general but getting rid of him doesn't solve their problems of new players still bedding in and the failure to replace last season's top scorer. Everton aren't in danger of getting relegated so what's to lose with giving Koeman time to see if this is simply a rough patch? For a club that's supposed to be aiming for the CL getting rid of a manager with Eredivisie titles under his belt for Dyche or Moyes seems a bit odd. Neither of those two is going to get Everton to the level where the owners want it to be.

How do you figure, shipping goals and failing to score yourself is exactly what gets you relegated.
 

WalkerboyUK

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https://twitter.com/AgentMike_/status/922443744590249984

I'm told Everton have spoken with Thomas Tuchel & Carlo Ancelotti they also want to speak with Marco Silva.

Call #1 to Tuchel: "Hi Thomas, we're looking at replacing Koeman. Are you interested in the job"
Tuchel: phone clicks off....

Call #2 to Ancelotti: "Carlo, we've got a job for you"
Ancelotti: "Even I couldn't turn that shower of shit around"
 

LSUY

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How do you figure, shipping goals and failing to score yourself is exactly what gets you relegated.

Because there are plenty of worse teams in the league. I'd put Palace, West Ham, Swansea, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Brighton and Leicester above Everton in the likelihood of being relegated this season.
 

NinjaTuna

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Can't wait to see Moyes back at Everton, recreating the 2007-08 dream team by resigning Tony Hibbert, Joseph Yobo, Andrew Johnson and the Yak :love::love::love:
 

Trix

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Because there are plenty of worse teams in the league. I'd put Palace, West Ham, Swansea, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Brighton and Leicester above Everton in the likelihood of being relegated this season.

Based on performance or teams on paper? Everton are where they are for a reason and they were getting worse performance wise. Haemorrhaging goals and confidence waning by the game. There are plenty of teams that have gone down even though they "shouldn't have been relegated" due to poorer teams in the league. Fact is the teams around them are all changing things up managerial wise and perhaps they needed to move now or their preferred replacement may have been snapped up. You have to remember Koemann has bought in £300mil worth of players since he took over, and things were worse now than they have ever been.
 

Bobbins

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Inevitable.

He's a proper weirdo TBH.

This thread and some of the posts terrified by Everton spending ended up being hilarious.
 

mpickard2087

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Unless they've somehow got Ancelotti or a similarly successful manager lined up I can't see the point in sacking Koeman, especially if the best replacement you can manage is Moyes. Sacking De Boer hasn't exactly turned things around for Palace. Surely they would have been better off giving Koeman a chance to get through this rough patch and for his team to gel?

I think it had to be done, Everton have looked the worst coached team in the league so far. The attack has looked muddled, and defensively they're so open in every game with shit work rate.
 

kaz Hirai

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Well they've copied our Beatles tour perfectly so far.
So they might as well complete the trifecta of misery and appoint tim Sherwood and Les Ferdinand
 
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shelfmonkey

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Depending on who gets the job, it could mean Barkley staying where he is.
 

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LSUY

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Based on performance or teams on paper? Everton are where they are for a reason and they were getting worse performance wise. Haemorrhaging goals and confidence waning by the game. There are plenty of teams that have gone down even though they "shouldn't have been relegated" due to poorer teams in the league. Fact is the teams around them are all changing things up managerial wise and perhaps they needed to move now or their preferred replacement may have been snapped up. You have to remember Koemann has bought in £300mil worth of players since he took over, and things were worse now than they have ever been.

Worse now than they have ever been? They're 3 points away from mid-table, 6 points from 7th, still in Europe (for now) and we're not even halfway through the season. I'm not against Koeman being sacked but unless they've somehow convinced Ancelotti to takeover or decided to gamble on Howe I can't see the point of sacking him and following it up with someone who'll probably be fired next season. The owners clearly want/expect the club to be challenging for European places and can anyone confidently say Dyche/Moyes/Allardyce/Coleman/Pardew/Bruce can achieve that? Hell, there's even talk of giving the job to Unsworth till the summer and that guy's managerial experience is about as long as his career at Villa.

I think it had to be done, Everton have looked the worst coached team in the league so far. The attack has looked muddled, and defensively they're so open in every game with shit work rate.

Only if you've got someone lined up. What is the point paying out to fire Koeman, hiring someone like Moyes and spending vast amounts for them to reshape the squad only to find he isn't good enough to get you to where you want so having to pay out to fire him? Unless there is a long-term plan there is no point in firing the person you've invested in after 9 games and replacing him with an expensive short-term appointment. If someone like Tuchel has made it clear he's interested fair enough but some of the names being bandied about reek of relegation fodder.
 
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Trix

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Can't wait to see Moyes back at Everton, recreating the 2007-08 dream team by resigning Tony Hibbert, Joseph Yobo, Andrew Johnson and the Yak :love::love::love:


I see Tim Cahill scored for Aus in the international break.
Worse now than they have ever been? They're 3 points away from mid-table, 6 points from 7th, still in Europe (for now) and we're not even halfway through the season. I'm not against Koeman being sacked but unless they've somehow convinced Ancelotti to takeover or decided to gamble on Howe I can't see the point of sacking him and following it up with someone who'll probably be fired next season. The owners clearly want/expect the club to be challenging for European places and can anyone confidently say Dyche/Moyes/Allardyce/Coleman/Pardew can achieve that? Hell, there's even talk of giving the job to Unsworth till the summer and that guy's managerial experience is about as long as his career at Villa.

I never said they are worse than they have ever been, but I'd definitely say they were worse than when Koeman took over. They may be 3 points from mid table, but they have one win in their last 6 and are bombing out of the Europa with some god awful performances. The fans have lost faith, the players could well be the same(they certainly are playing like it). Put faith in him and things don't improve and all of a sudden it's too late for it to make a difference. A club the size of Everton I'd be surprised if they don't already have someone lined up
 

spursfan77

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Some noise on Dyche now.

It's easy to say give Koeman time, but we don't see a manager day to day when it all goes wrong. If he's going to pieces at the training ground it's hard for a club to sit back and do nothing.

I wouldn't give him time. Think they've done the right thing cutting their losses. Probably means we won't get barkley now if he likes the new manager.
 

Gb160

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Look at the teams benitez managed before going to newcastle.
Fair point but Ancelotti is a much more successful manager, even though he didn't do great at BM I would imagine he'll still have a fair few big clubs after him, i can see him back in Italy personally.
Not so sure Rafa had any choice but to take a smaller job.
 
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